Danielle Boucree (00:09.166)
I can see you.
Oh, wait, you did freeze for a second.
Meghan Houle (00:22.243)
It's like literally the Wi- okay. Like the Wi-Fi and I'll just, I can, well, we'll tap it back in, but I don't understand like why my bars just keep going up and down. I have no other options than to like be on this Wi-Fi, which is usually like fine. I mean, I work from, I've been working from home for like a hundred years.
Danielle Boucree (00:41.547)
Yeah.
Meghan Houle (00:45.343)
Okay, I just don't want to be frozen and I don't want to freeze in the middle because like if both of our tracks don't get uploaded it's like we're gonna have to record the whole thing all over again, you know? I know. All right, let's just pray. Okay, whatever. One, two, three, Justin, we're coming back in. Pray for our wi-fi. Ready?
Danielle Boucree (00:57.195)
Yes.
Meghan Houle (01:09.827)
Danielle, welcome to the pivot with purpose podcast. How are you today? How's it going? Yeah.
Danielle Boucree (01:15.535)
I'm good Megan, I'm good. Today's a good day.
Meghan Houle (01:17.963)
Yes, it is a good day. It is an amazing day. We're just powering through all the things that life throws at us, right? That's like, oh my gosh. But thank you so much for being on our show and in the ears of our listeners. I know you and I have such an interesting connection from kind of crossing paths in what is such a beautiful.
Danielle Boucree (01:26.695)
Indeed.
Meghan Houle (01:43.683)
sort of space that we live in, in this like media and conversation world, where I know you found me through a conversation I had with Cody back in the day. And it's just so cool to be able to bring you on the podcast as well as I know you have interesting pivots, but also have a really interesting topic to be able to discuss in terms of all that you do with relationships, which is like very juicy and something.
that I don't know, I feel like when you're balancing life and career and all of it, which is the heart of the show, if you know, think about the times we haven't been in great relationships over the years, right? And how that affects like everything in the world around us, how we show up at work.
how we show up in our lives and all of it. So I can't wait to dive in to some hot topics and all the nuggets that you have to offer. So tell us, where are we catching you right now? Tell us a little bit about sort of what you do in your business for our listeners to kick off. Yay.
Danielle Boucree (02:47.886)
Yes, yes. Thanks. First, thanks for having me. I love being here. Like I told you before, just the name of the podcast, Pivot With Purpose, it struck me so much. I was like, this is literally my life, literally. So day to day, I'm a licensed clinical therapist, right? So I work with adults and couples.
Meghan Houle (03:02.572)
Yay!
Danielle Boucree (03:12.674)
And I have my own private practice called Hope Psychotherapy, and I love seeing my clients. About five years ago, I dug deep into couples work, and I find it so rewarding that it kind of led me to also launch my platform called Hope Station. So Hope Psychotherapy is where I do all my clinical work, but Hope Station is where I really give people an opportunity to learn a lot more about relationships,
Um, keeping relationships healthy, but most importantly, how to get through transitions, right? There are so many transitions we go through in our lives, but as a couple in relationships, like you went into a transition when you first got into the relationship and then when you actually got married, if you decided to do that or just couple, and then you had like a whole baby maybe, right? And so raising that baby. And then when the babies leave.
You're looking at this person again going, okay, who were you? So there are.
Meghan Houle (04:15.699)
Or there's a pandemic and you're like at home all day every day looking at who are you and truly if we all there's so many things that came out of that too, right? And I'm sure yeah, you're dealing with a lot of those conversations of actually being present with people on the daily, right? Yeah.
Danielle Boucree (04:22.13)
Exactly.
Danielle Boucree (04:27.142)
Exactly.
Danielle Boucree (04:31.47)
Yeah. Yep. And staying connected, you'd be surprised how many people actually became disconnected during this time where we were forced to be physically connected by being in the house together all the time. So it was a challenge, absolutely.
Meghan Houle (04:44.784)
Yeah.
So what was your big pivot into what you're doing today? Because what you started off in early on in your career, is it the same or was there a pivotal moment that led you to what you built in what you're managing today? Yeah.
Danielle Boucree (05:04.65)
Right. No, my pivot, I think I have a couple of pivots, but I think it's important to note that like I was born for this in many ways, right? As a child, as a young person, I was always much more of a listener. Like I wasn't the person in the room talking all the time. I was the person who everybody thought was shy because I didn't speak that much, but really I was taking the time to like listen and watch. So I've always kind of been that person.
Meghan Houle (05:15.087)
Love it. Yeah.
Danielle Boucree (05:33.354)
And I was actually a dancer growing up as well. And so just being able to communicate without words, you kind of have to dig deep into what you're feeling so that the people in the audience can feel it too. So I was practicing for this my whole life. But because I'm a child of immigrants, I'm first generation American, I had a lot of shoulds in my head. I should do this, I should do that. And the arts just were not really a thing. So I went into business.
Meghan Houle (05:47.489)
Yeah, wow.
Meghan Houle (06:03.146)
Mm.
Danielle Boucree (06:03.67)
went into college, went into business, thought it was what I needed to do, what I should be doing, went into marketing, honestly, just because of the people aspect, right? In order to launch a new product, in order to promote something, you have to understand your audience. And so I like dug deep into the audience thing. A lot of people went to focus groups because, you know, of the snacks, or they were irritated that they had to go. And I like...
Meghan Houle (06:29.231)
No snacks. We love no snacks.
Danielle Boucree (06:32.942)
Exactly. But I went to focus groups and I was like eating it all up, you know, figuring out what people wanted and why they wanted it. It was all very exciting for me. But I stayed in marketing for a while until one day when I felt a bit of a twinge, I'd say, I think twinge is the good word, where I felt like I was sitting in meetings where everybody was so excited about what we were doing, the work we were doing, and it was good work, but I didn't feel anything.
Meghan Houle (06:36.834)
Yeah.
Danielle Boucree (06:59.83)
Like I was like, okay, well, onto the next. Like it didn't mean anything to me. And I thought that was odd. So, and actually found myself jealous of those people who were excited. Cause I was like, I wanna be excited about what I do too. So I took the time to kind of step back and reflect, kind of meet those demons of being first generation American and what I should be doing, really did the work.
Meghan Houle (07:12.717)
Mmm.
Meghan Houle (07:16.24)
Yeah.
Danielle Boucree (07:26.466)
to figure out, okay, what is it that I should be doing and found this thing? Like what I do, what I love is people, right? So how am I gonna make that happen? So I, as a business person, I networked and I traded my marketing services for an opportunity to sit in with an eating disorder clinic and sit in with the staff and really learn about mental health. I figured if I wanted to go into mental health, I should probably know something.
Right? So the trade was perfect because I got a mentor out of it who really helped me decide what path I was going to take. And I went back to school at the age of 40 something. I had to learn if I was going to do it, I was going to do it right. So I went back to school and while I was in school, I noticed this word hope was speaking to me.
Meghan Houle (07:57.36)
Yeah.
Meghan Houle (08:02.987)
Mm-hmm.
Meghan Houle (08:10.971)
Good for you. That's so amazing. Yeah. Wow. Heck yeah.
Danielle Boucree (08:25.546)
I would hear it everywhere. It was very strange, but I didn't know what it meant. So I just kind of pocketed it. And after graduation, I went and I worked for a group practice and picked up another great mentor out of it, which I loved. I got great experience. I became licensed. Lots of great things came out of that, but then I got another twinge. And I know, it happens.
Meghan Houle (08:48.587)
Oh boy. The twinges, I love, oh heck yeah, I call them like the fire in my soul, but you know, as you know from like getting to know me, and there's like, yes, there's definitely some fire. I need a twinge. Yeah.
Danielle Boucree (08:54.954)
Yes!
Danielle Boucree (09:03.15)
Yes, a little bit, a little bit. So that twinge was actually telling me that I could do more, right? I was seeing my clients in the office. I was doing the things. I had, you know, before COVID, I actually had an office where I saw live people. And I just felt like I had a bigger message that I could help more people, but that I couldn't necessarily do it in the confines of the group practice. So…
Meghan Houle (09:30.235)
Mm.
Danielle Boucree (09:31.614)
I took myself, I put my big girl panties on and I said, I'm going to separate from the security that I feel here in the group practice and I'm going to start on my own. So I started Hope Psychotherapy and I used that platform of Hope. I was like, this is what it's for. But no, that's not all it was for. So I started Hope Psychotherapy, but I also started Hope Station, which is my bigger, broader psychoeducation platform for couples.
I live by hope, but in the two different ways, right? Clinically and then broader.
Meghan Houle (10:05.411)
Wow. So, and like so many incredible pivots in all of that, in the messaging of what we talk about day in and day out of the podcast of like, how do you do it? And like, how do you know? And it all goes back to the twinges or the fires or the questioning or, you know, listening to your body. And if you're in a bad job or in a space that's not in alignment, something's gonna tell you somehow.
And I always say, make that change before a change is made for you, if you can. And I feel like for you, identifying, taking action, leveraging your network, getting into new rooms, identifying.
If you're going to do this, then what are those extra skills or actions or learnings or education that you need to get there, getting in there again, and then continuing to see opportunity? I mean, that's so beautiful. So I just love that. And good for you, because I think a lot of people get so stuck in the fear of leaving those certainty jobs that...
Danielle Boucree (11:05.038)
Thank you.
Danielle Boucree (11:13.635)
Yeah.
Meghan Houle (11:14.499)
they never max out their true potential. And it's like, holy cow, like think about the people. I mean, you can probably go and think about all the clients you have served. Like imagine if you hadn't made that pivot. And how heavy, because I was gonna ask you if you worked with coaches, but like I know you've got the education, but like trading time and specialty to like get into a room to learn about mental health. I mean, as somebody who grew up with many eating disorders, that's pretty heavy, Danielle. I mean, like that's sad. And
Danielle Boucree (11:25.015)
Yeah.
Danielle Boucree (11:41.375)
us heavy stuff.
Meghan Houle (11:44.203)
I can tell you just like addiction, just like anything. I mean, that's something that sits with you for the rest of your life, truly. And you know, demons, you fight every day, even though you recover from eating disorders and you really can, that's really hard. And I remember for me, it was like a flip that switched.
Danielle Boucree (11:50.567)
It does, absolutely.
Meghan Houle (12:04.191)
So I feel very fortunate that somehow my body, it was just like, we gotta get healthy, Megan, right? But that's not always the case for everyone. So you're doing amazing work and I'm so excited. Wow, thank you for sharing all of that. So tell us more about the clients that you serve day in and day out. Like who's coming to you?
Danielle Boucree (12:09.89)
Sad enough's enough, yeah.
Meghan Houle (12:28.755)
what are what's that consistent theme that you're really working through with people and like, yeah, talk about hope is it like hope as, you know, HOP, there's like different steps, like tell us a little bit about who you serve and like what, you know, the whole meaning behind hope is as you're working through with your clients. Yeah.
Danielle Boucree (12:39.789)
Yes.
Danielle Boucree (12:48.33)
Yeah, a lot of my individual clients suffer with anxiety. Right? And I think it's anxiety has always been a thing. It's always been around, but I think there's a, especially since COVID, there's a certain permission that people are now giving themselves to say, I don't have to sit in it, right? And getting empowered to actually pick up the phone and call me, which is like such a big step, right? So I see a lot of that and a lot of the,
Meghan Houle (13:08.23)
Yeah.
Meghan Houle (13:14.68)
Mm-hmm.
Danielle Boucree (13:17.534)
what if, you know, what if this happens, what if that happens and the inability to really be present? Right? So, yeah.
Meghan Houle (13:22.919)
Yeah, right. Oh, so heavy. Cause like you think things are going well, but then the anxiety is like just always waiting for another shoe to drop. Like not believing, right? That it's like, you're good. Yeah.
Danielle Boucree (13:31.466)
Yes, yes. I spoke to a client just yesterday who was just like, I'm doing so well, everything's going well. She's planning a wedding, she's working, it's going great, all these things. But she's like, but I still feel anxious. And we figured out it's because like you're anticipating what could potentially go wrong, but it's not real. It's like a big bear sitting outside the room, but it's not in the room, right? So, so yeah, it's heavy. But I also work a lot with couples.
Meghan Houle (13:50.828)
wrong right yeah.
Meghan Houle (13:56.653)
Yeah, yeah, wow.
Danielle Boucree (14:01.374)
And really here, couples, it's, I love the work with couples. I have to admit, it's so juicy.
Meghan Houle (14:01.445)
Yeah.
Meghan Houle (14:07.711)
Yeah, I mean, if I can like just a little sneak peek. I mean, like, okay, reality and the bachelor like we kind of watch it. But like there's like, we won't go down that rabbit hole. No. Oh, God.
Danielle Boucree (14:21.367)
You don't want to see me watching those television shows like The Bachelor and things. I literally like I'm yelling at the television like, what are you doing? Be vulnerable. Right?
Meghan Houle (14:27.671)
You're like, what are you doing? I know, I know. I can't, I don't, I can't even watch them anymore. Maybe I'm just getting old and I'm like a big fat loser. Like I'm in my loser era. I'm just like, I just want to be with my cats. Because honestly though Danielle, like not to, you know, kind of get on a tangent, but that like Megan tangent, who will, that's my name. You know, I think like there's so much.
noise always around us of you know, people that are doing this or doing that or on shows or you know, I got to do this or these are relationships. And like Cody love you know, and her thing and all that they created is just like showing like real raw relationships and like not the fluff but then also like not the super drama because it like doesn't have to be like that. Yeah, I think some of the things that we watch on TV, it's just so heavy.
Danielle Boucree (14:56.47)
Yeah.
Danielle Boucree (15:17.643)
Right, right.
Meghan Houle (15:23.107)
And gosh, like at the end of the day, you just wanna turn on sometimes things or read a book where you can just like go somewhere and watching shows that like have a lot of anxiety and drama also like adds to like mine where I'm just like, I can't do this anymore. Turn it off. But no, it's so interesting. So do you work with couples at all levels? Like what are people coming to you with? And then, you know, are they virtual in person? Like how does that work? Yeah.
Danielle Boucree (15:48.946)
Yeah, well, I'm 100% virtual. And I find it actually works really well because the couples are comfortable in their element. They're not in my office feeling like they have to be on their best behavior. So that sometimes is interesting, right? But because if they walk away, if somebody gets upset and walks away, like they can go to their room. Whereas I couldn't do that in my office, but we deal with those things in session. I see couples everywhere. I love when I get a call from a couple.
Meghan Houle (15:51.096)
Yes.
Meghan Houle (15:56.739)
Yeah.
Meghan Houle (16:08.036)
Right.
Meghan Houle (16:12.196)
Yeah.
Danielle Boucree (16:16.886)
who's just like, we just got engaged and we know we need to like set ourselves up for success. Love them, love them. Like you guys are unicorns, I love you. But then I also, you know, handle the couples who are dealing with things in the relationship, in the course of relationship, whether it's something as deep as infidelity, right? Or just grief and loss within a relationship. Like those things kind of shake the relationship up. And then there are those couples who are
Meghan Houle (16:22.607)
Wow, oh that's awesome. Wow. Yeah, yeah.
Danielle Boucree (16:46.194)
married for 25, 27, 30 years who were realizing that they no longer feel a connection to each other. Like they're just, as they say, roommates. So we work on getting that connection back and really reflecting on why it left to begin with so we can figure out what to move forward. So I do see the gamut of couples, all ages, all stages in the relationship, but all needing just a little bit of help.
Meghan Houle (16:58.051)
Mm-hmm.
Meghan Houle (17:03.163)
Hmm.
Danielle Boucree (17:15.162)
I love when couples are like, I think things are going well, but I'm afraid to stop. They don't want to stop couples therapy because they're like, it worked and we're not sure we could do it on our own. I pride myself in really giving couples the tools they need and making it clear that stuff's going to happen. You're going to fight. Life is going to happen around you. If you have the tools to deal with those things that come, if you can communicate with each
Meghan Houle (17:36.086)
Mm-hmm.
Danielle Boucree (17:45.514)
right, and you both feel connected and heard and seen, you can work through all whatever comes your way, you know.
Meghan Houle (17:51.799)
Yeah. And I think the communication piece, would you say that's something that is like the biggest kind of miss? And I just feel like in life in general as human beings, like the communication, a tone, a delivery, and then, but on the other side of it, someone being feeling seen, someone feeling seen and feeling like validated. I mean, I feel like when we are not
Danielle Boucree (18:09.123)
Yeah.
Meghan Houle (18:20.331)
in that way, then that's kind of where all the defensiveness comes in. And then on top of that, if you have like generational trauma or childhood trauma where your voice has been pushed down or you haven't been and, you know, you're trying to step into this new light, then you're like, how dare you? And then everything just like escalates where so it's a simple formula of listening and communicating and identifying and appreciating. But I think like anything doing the work, just like hiring a coach.
Danielle Boucree (18:24.511)
right.
Danielle Boucree (18:48.905)
Mm-hmm.
Meghan Houle (18:49.279)
just like hiring anybody that's going to help you see either the blind spots or things that could be doing better. You've got to appreciate it and value that investment and that support. What do you feel like are some of the misconceptions of
Danielle Boucree (18:56.013)
Right.
Meghan Houle (19:06.055)
therapy, like couples therapy, like what do people get like really scared of when I know I know a thing is here they skip couple therapy and it's like, oh, we failed, or like we're not doing well. But what are some of your misconceptions? Would you say for something like, Oh, I don't need that. We're fine. You find every day. It's fine.
Danielle Boucree (19:14.754)
Hey
Danielle Boucree (19:20.33)
Right. I think I love the fact that you kept on using we, right? What I actually see coming in is a little bit more of I. Right. So so maybe the couple comes in and the female or the male in the relationship is like, I'm you're just you just brought me here because you want the therapist to tell me that I'm wrong. Right. So.
So, I often say, therapy is not a win-lose thing. There's no winner, there's no loser. The relationship wins. And I'm the therapist for the relationship, neither one of the individual people. It's really an opportunity to connect and think of yourselves as a we and how are we going to make things better instead of pointing the finger on.
Meghan Houle (20:03.831)
I love that.
Meghan Houle (20:16.225)
Oh, yeah.
Danielle Boucree (20:16.234)
Right? I do, I go through therapy with my clients a lot with using the acronym HOPE, because again, it is kind of my foundation, but the acronym in itself includes a lot of the stuff that you need to be involved in a healthy relationship. So the H is for healthy communication. And you're right. That is why it is the first thing that I talk about. Right? You have to, talking isn't about just the words.
Meghan Houle (20:26.573)
Yeah.
Danielle Boucree (20:46.826)
Right? It's about the message that's going back and forth. Right? And there are clear researched elements that cannot show up in your communication with your partner if you want healthy communication. Right? So we talk about how criticism, regardless of what your intention is, right? Nobody really sets out to harm their partner. But yet, criticism appears. Right? So if there's criticism, you're going to get a defensive response.
Meghan Houle (21:11.739)
Yeah.
Danielle Boucree (21:14.538)
We can't volley criticism and defensiveness. We get nowhere, right? Everybody's just trying to protect themselves. So we've got to remove that from communication, period. And that's really about talking about your feelings, right? Instead of pointing the finger about what you did, maybe talk about how it made me feel, right? But another thing I love that you said, Megan, is that we're not really raised.
Meghan Houle (21:21.325)
Yeah.
Danielle Boucree (21:41.27)
to learn how to communicate. We're raised to learn how to talk. Like first words are celebrated, but actually being able to communicate is not, right? And then when you bring in two strange people into this space and you're expecting that, like my partner is gonna get me and I'm gonna get my partner, yet we have completely different backgrounds. It's not easy, right?
Meghan Houle (22:05.571)
Yes.
Meghan Houle (22:09.116)
I know. Yeah.
Danielle Boucree (22:10.942)
So that's the H, healthy communication. The O is kind of connected and it's the openness and vulnerability. And that's those expressing your feelings thing that I was talking about. I'm committed to you, you're committed to me. I'm going to care about how you feel and you're going to care about how I feel. But if I don't know it, there's no way for me to respond to it or validate it or take accountability for making you feel some kind of way. So we've really got to lead with…
Meghan Houle (22:29.116)
Mm-hmm.
Meghan Houle (22:35.835)
Yeah.
Danielle Boucree (22:38.358)
how we're feeling. And there's a feelings wheel, literally Google feelings wheel, and it comes up that I often have my clients post on the refrigerator to start using those feeling words. I would love for every five-year-old to also be able to put the feelings wheel up so that we learn to communicate that way growing up. But in the absence of that, it's OK. We can learn them now. Instead of I'm sad all the time.
Meghan Houle (22:51.754)
and.
Meghan Houle (22:59.116)
Yeah.
Meghan Houle (23:03.707)
Yeah.
Meghan Houle (23:07.532)
Mmm.
Danielle Boucree (23:07.914)
like using different words, like I'm disappointed, or like words that actually are more descriptive and say something, right? But that leads me to the P in hope, which is having a process for conflict. Conflict is gonna happen 100% all the time. It does, it does, we're humans. But in that process needs to be like, I get you, I hear you, and I understand your perspective.
Meghan Houle (23:13.527)
Yeah.
Danielle Boucree (23:35.906)
But in order for that to happen, in order for me to understand you, you have to actually tell me how you're feeling and what you're thinking and what you need. What do you need from me? It's really important during conflict to be vulnerable and open and honest, the H, the O, and the P. And then the E is everyday intention. Every single day intending to connect.
Meghan Houle (23:42.203)
Hmm
Meghan Houle (23:45.638)
Yeah.
Danielle Boucree (24:04.938)
hear and understand and be better. I had a client once, a couple who kept on referring to the work it takes. I know relationships are hard work. And I was like, could you stop using work? Because when I think work, I think drudgery. Yeah, when you say intention or effort, that's more actionable and it feels a little less spooky, if that's even a word. It's not. But to
Meghan Houle (24:19.511)
Right, yeah, it's like a different, yeah, yeah.
Meghan Houle (24:29.603)
Yeah. We're making up all the words today Danielle, twinge, rookie, whatever. Like follow us for the new like Webster's dictionary. Yeah.
Danielle Boucree (24:35.218)
Right? Exactly. Right. You know, Megan, like the intention starts with like when the alarm clock goes off, right? Because if the first thing you think when you wake up is, oh my gosh, I have to like, I have to put that analysis together for the report, the first thing you're going to do is check your email. Like did I get anything? I'm going to get on my computer. But if the first thought of the day is…
Meghan Houle (24:48.367)
Yeah.
Danielle Boucree (25:04.326)
I'm so lucky to have my partner. He or she is like the bomb. I might get he or she some coffee or I might give him a hug in the beginning before I start my day. Intention matters. That's the final end thing. I had a couple recently who came in and the man was adamant about like, we intend to connect. I'm telling you Danielle, we intend to connect.
Meghan Houle (25:11.58)
Yeah.
Meghan Houle (25:20.167)
Love that. Dang.
Danielle Boucree (25:33.262)
And I'm like, okay, but what are you doing? Like, that's great that you intend to do that, right? But what are you actually doing in practice to do that? And they were crickets. Like they weren't actually doing anything, right? But they wanted to, which is part of the thing, but in Hope Station, my tagline is where hope meets action. Both have to happen, right? You can hope all you want, but if you're not doing anything.
Meghan Houle (25:46.983)
Hmm. Yeah. Right. Yeah.
Meghan Houle (25:55.405)
Right?
Danielle Boucree (26:02.05)
to change, to change your behavior, to change your feelings, to change your thoughts, right? That nothing's going to happen.
Meghan Houle (26:08.315)
What are you gonna do? I say that often in recruiting and what I do, and I do feel this with you, hope is a plan because you have them mapped out, but just traditional hope of like, I hope something works out. Yes, sometimes things fall into our lap and fall into place, but hope is not a plan unless you put something intentional behind it to cognitively say, we're gonna make a change and here's what we're gonna do.
Danielle Boucree (26:37.195)
Absolutely.
Meghan Houle (26:37.327)
And, you know, I would, so I love all of that. And I would love your opinion too, over the years, and maybe it started with COVID or whatnot, you know, like what are, do you feel like we're just all so wrapped up in like work, life, like what are some of these distractors that really pull us away from relationships? Cause there is this like true honeymoon period, right? You're like, I love my spouse, everything's great. And then life goes forward and you're like.
Whether it's kids jobs like sick parents like whatever. I mean, there's just so social health issues are so many things like what? What do you feel like have been? some of those Disconnects that you've seen like coming are we just like all obsessed with like working reality television Joe and vanity like what? What's the problem with America? Where do we start? No, I'm just kidding. That's a heaven where in relationships, we'll try to keep this not to a four-hour podcast, but um,
Danielle Boucree (27:26.126)
Where do I start, right? Yes.
Meghan Houle (27:32.835)
Yeah, what do you see? Like, what are we missing or doing too much of? Yeah. Love homework loves it.
Danielle Boucree (27:37.43)
Yeah, yeah. I hear, so I'm a therapist who gives homework. Unapologetically, I give homework because there are six days and 23 hours that you're not with me, you're gonna do something. But I think what we've lost is agency. Like just the ability to say like, this is what I want and this is what I'm going to keep, right? A boundary, for example. Because what I hear from a lot of people is,
Meghan Houle (27:48.303)
Yeah.
Meghan Houle (27:53.724)
Mmm.
Danielle Boucree (28:04.854)
Yeah, I want to connect or yeah, I want to spend quality time. Date night sounds great, but I'm traveling for work. And then I have a boss meeting and I have a standing meeting every Monday. And I have like all the things we're letting life happen to us. As opposed to actually leaning in and living it. Right. So if the people in your life and the relationship is something that you want to thrive, you'll make time for it.
Right, but we have to make time. I often tell people to have this like weekly state of the union as the Gottmans call it, but just a family meeting, but a relationship meeting. Right? It is not, I prefer that it's not a tactical meeting. Like who's gonna pick up the kids and who's gonna do laundry and all these things. If it needs to, every once in a while it needs to. But what I think is most important about having this on our calendars once a week is that
Meghan Houle (28:36.433)
Yeah.
Danielle Boucree (29:03.33)
You will make time to talk about how you're feeling, to talk about ways to connect, to talk about what you wanna do, what your goals are for the year, right? Personally and as a couple. But you have to take the time, just like you would for a dentist appointment. Like you're not just gonna leave the dentist like waiting for you, you're gonna go because you made the appointment. If you make an appointment with your spouse, you have to treat it with the same respect, right? So.
Meghan Houle (29:21.059)
Mm-hmm.
Meghan Houle (29:28.419)
Yeah, totally. Yeah.
Danielle Boucree (29:31.414)
So yeah, I love just being intentional about making time to connect and making time to talk. And if there's nothing there, you get the gift of time. If there's nothing to talk about, you get the gift of time. But I think that rarely happens. Yeah, yeah.
Meghan Houle (29:39.332)
Yes. Yeah.
Meghan Houle (29:45.399)
Right. Yeah, there's always something there, right? What, what is the downfall of anyone right now that could be really sitting in some heavy relational issues, relationship issues, you know, what's a downfall of us like not addressing it beyond the obvious, but sometimes like divorce isn't the answer and people just kind of stay and
and then figure it out. And I mean, from someone that came from a divorced parents and all of that, and then parents getting remarried and like dealing with other tears and levels. I mean, you are affecting, like I was saying in the beginning, your environment and things around you. Maybe without even knowing it, cause you're kind of just like walking in this like haze of like, well, this is just how it is. But what are some like true...
Danielle Boucree (30:14.603)
Yeah.
Meghan Houle (30:34.831)
detrimental things, you know, that really can happen if these things aren't addressed or what do you see? Yeah.
Danielle Boucree (30:40.97)
Yeah, a lot of people put their relationship stuff in a box, right? They're like, oh, it'll be fine. We'll deal with it later. And before they know it, that's when they come. They're like, I'm disconnected from my partner. I don't understand why. Well, putting it in a box doesn't mean you're dealing with it. It just means you're saving it for later. And eventually, the feeling that bubbles up are things like resentment, anger, like all the things. And
Meghan Houle (30:46.093)
Mmm.
Meghan Houle (30:49.915)
Mm-hmm. Mm.
Meghan Houle (30:55.128)
Yeah.
Meghan Houle (31:01.561)
Right.
Meghan Houle (31:06.207)
Right. Yeah. Yes.
Danielle Boucree (31:09.59)
What happens when you put it in a box is that when you actually go or if you go to talk about it, there's so much behind you that's left to deal with that it feels overwhelming. For some people, it becomes too much and they shut down, unable to really even lean into what's broken because they're so resentful. You don't want to get to that space, which is why it's even more important.
Meghan Houle (31:17.607)
Mm-hmm.
Meghan Houle (31:29.143)
Yeah, right.
Danielle Boucree (31:36.354)
Like if something feels off or if something feels wrong, say something early, even if you don't even know what you need, even if you don't know how to solve it. Just putting it on the table for both of you to kind of like recognize is like the first step, right? Putting things away for later or ignoring them, it leads to disaster. Yeah.
Meghan Houle (31:41.92)
Mm-hmm.
Meghan Houle (32:01.375)
It's a lot. Yeah, no, totally. And then the like explosion and things are like piling up just like anything inside where you have to say something. And, you know, coming from a leadership background and managing people in teams, it's even that equivalent of when an employee or someone, you know, doesn't do something correctly or whatnot, like coaching in a moment and kind of calling out and like moving on. But like, three weeks later, if you're going to go back and say, Oh,
you did that in the photo, they're like, so like, it's like a month later. So I love that, like really addressing it. And, you know, if there is someone who's trying to have conversations, but maybe that other partner is like not receptive, Danielle, or they, they just don't want to even like, deal with it, deal with the conversation. Like, how would how does someone deal with that? Where someone shows up and says, like, well, I'm feeling a certain way. And the other partners like, No, you're not, you're fine. Oh, my god.
Danielle Boucree (32:32.502)
less. Yeah.
Meghan Houle (32:59.787)
I have so many examples of that we will go down that road but like if the other person is not receiving it You're like no, but I feel this way I mean at some point you feel like Rose on the Titanic where you're screaming at the top of your lungs and no one's freakin listening and then you know I mean, let's knock it on a sinking ship But it is a sinking ship of like your feelings of like well shit. I'm not being heard seen at all I mean like what's going on there when someone's like not validating from the other side. How do you break through that too? Yeah
Danielle Boucree (33:17.87)
Great.
Danielle Boucree (33:29.278)
Yeah, I think it's going back to, and you usually, you're feeling words very well, Megan. So it's about making it relevant to your partner so that they can hear you. So like, I feel disappointed or I feel this, and really focusing on your experience, right? But at the end of the day, the boundary has to be like, it's not okay that I feel this way. It's not just that I feel this way. Now, how are you going to respond?
Meghan Houle (33:29.914)
Yeah.
Meghan Houle (33:53.956)
Mm-hmm.
Meghan Houle (33:57.527)
Yeah.
Danielle Boucree (33:57.538)
But this is unacceptable to me. Like this is not the relationship that I signed up for. Right? And that's a hard conversation to have. But if it happens repeatedly where you feel like, okay, like I'm being gaslit, like this isn't, this is not working. I'm trying to tell you how I feel and you're not respecting it. Like I didn't sign up for a relationship that didn't have respect, right? And just putting it out there, black and white. Like this is not okay.
Meghan Houle (34:05.662)
Mm-hmm.
Meghan Houle (34:21.727)
Mm, love that. Yeah. No, it's so good. And maybe taking this for some takeaways for my professional individuals out there, I cannot tell you.
going into the beginning of this new year, how many conversations and how many people in toxic work environments, being gaslit in toxic work environments, which honestly, our relationships also, like we bring our whole selves, many of us to work where we're like 100% even more committed to work than families and everything else, but like they're dealing with these toxic bosses or founders.
Danielle Boucree (34:48.096)
Absolutely.
Danielle Boucree (34:59.326)
Mm-hmm.
Meghan Houle (35:00.615)
or individuals that probably need to do a lot of work on themselves and don't want to face it and need to call you and then yell. How does somebody have those difficult conversations at work? Because I feel like being able to communicate in your own life are also giving you lessons to then be able to showcase how other people need to treat and respect you as well. So do you help people with that or in the mix in the mind, is it also helping people have outside?
Danielle Boucree (35:20.636)
Yeah.
Meghan Houle (35:27.935)
the home difficult conversations as well. Like what are some of your tips? Yeah.
Danielle Boucree (35:32.618)
Absolutely. So it's funny when we just had that conversation about what to do when it's been kind of put in a box, it literally made me think about the whole annual evaluation process at work. And they start with all these positives and then they throw a little grenade in there.
Meghan Houle (35:39.926)
Mm-hmm.
Meghan Houle (35:46.971)
Oh yeah, phew!
Meghan Houle (35:52.815)
You're like, but and y'all listening, you better be doing your performance journal. I swear to God, there's a download at meganhull.com. And I always say to my professionals, like, don't wait until the day before your review to like start to be like, what the hell did I do all year? We shouldn't be keeping a journal, a journal of conversations good bad otherwise. But yeah, if you're boxing that all up, and then just waiting till the end of year. And that's why I think like reviews get there's so much anxiety behind that.
Danielle Boucree (35:58.19)
Shit.
Danielle Boucree (36:20.388)
Exactly.
Meghan Houle (36:20.463)
because it's a little bit about you're great, but also, but like, here's what's not great. That's a lot. Yeah.
Danielle Boucree (36:24.562)
Yes. It's a lot. It's a lot. But you can't be, well, it's not 100% right. Most people don't feel completely comfortable being vulnerable with their supervisors or their bosses. Right? So while it's important that you have the candid or genuine conversation, you also, I mean, your boss isn't the person that you're going to be like, well, I'm really feeling lonely. Like it's not appropriate.
Meghan Houle (36:36.003)
Right, true, yes, yes.
Meghan Houle (36:44.049)
Mm-hmm.
Meghan Houle (36:51.819)
Right. Yeah.
Danielle Boucree (36:53.034)
in the workplace. But that doesn't mean that you can't use the more professional appropriate feeling words, right? To let your boss know how you're receiving whatever they're doing or how you're receiving the environment around you, right? In a descriptive way. I think that's kind of the feelings part of the professional space. It's like they still have to understand what you're experiencing because your experience is not theirs.
Meghan Houle (37:06.871)
Oh, yeah. Oh. Uh-huh.
Meghan Houle (37:22.487)
Right, interesting. Yeah. Right.
Danielle Boucree (37:23.626)
Right, and then ask for what you need. You'd have to.
Meghan Houle (37:27.115)
Yeah, but we need to like put that feelings wheel like in our English podcast show notes and also on the website. So anyone listening in, go to go to Danielle and I is what podcast website and check out the feelings will because I think that is such good advice and really cool to see and I'll be googling it as soon as we hang up here. But I feel like my feelings were just come from my years of coaching and 100 years of recruiting. I still look great though really for 100 years old.
being able to really pull out and non emotionally, but fact based say this is the reality situation. And I think a lot of times when people are delivering things in different tones and are a certain way, Danielle, sometimes they don't even know that that's how they are, cause that's how they are and no one's calling them out. And I'm not to say like, y'all need to go out there and be whistleblowers for your boss, but.
I deal with this often, you know, where I flipped around working with a candidate who was dealing with a very toxic situation of like, you need to just say at some point, how you're speaking to me is not okay. And right. And in the midst, in the middle there, you know, there's HR departments and like people that, you know, can kind of hone into it. But I think it's very fact based and unemotionally speaking your truth. Right?
Danielle Boucree (38:36.206)
That's a boundary.
Danielle Boucree (38:51.758)
Absolutely, absolutely.
Meghan Houle (38:53.751)
And then if that's not being received, maybe it's time for your own pivot with purpose. If Dindale can do it and you got that twinge everyone, go look for something else because we are not stuck.
Danielle Boucree (39:02.626)
Got that twinge, that's the thing.
Meghan Houle (39:10.215)
there's always something else around the corner, be it life or relationships. And that's the magic of the world that we live in, right? But for other couple things, for what you see, I think also I have to imagine for you, differencing in personalities where you could have a Megan Hall that's like, ah, I'm gonna take over the world. And very independent.
knows what she wants, you know, that in terms of like an energy match in a relationship, sometimes males can find that because that's a lot of male energy. I know I give off a lot of I'm trying to be more soft. I swear. I don't know how. But like that is a personality where I think you have to be with somebody I think that really embraces.
Danielle Boucree (39:53.994)
To you, Megan, be you.
Meghan Houle (40:03.295)
all of the things. I'm a stone cold weirdo. I mean, I'll say that all day, every day. Who knows what's gonna fly out of my mouth on any certain day. But, you know, I feel like having maybe a partner that like tries to like shush that down a little bit or someone that's like not evenly matched. Where I think like sometimes that's where the disconnect gets to, right? You have a female that's like got huge.
amazing ambitions and you could start off in a marriage or relationship with someone feeling insane but like maybe the pendulum swings where someone isn't
at the level or whatever. I mean, how do you how do you deal with like the equilibrium, right? Of like the balance of personalities and people and what people are bringing to the table? Because I'm sure it's like, well, I do this and I do that. And I did this today. And you're like, Whoa. So yeah, what some examples there because I feel like I know a lot of people a lot of friends, a lot of individuals where there's little myths in the equilibrium of the relationship. Ooh, I like that.
Danielle Boucree (40:38.444)
Yeah.
Danielle Boucree (41:01.762)
Yeah. Ooh, yes. I have to say that equilibrium that you talk about, especially the part where we were kind of on the same trajectory and then over the years or whatever, we've kind of gotten in balance. That is literally the reason for that like weekly meeting where we're sitting down and we're talking about our hopes and our dreams and where we're headed and what we want to do because it doesn't, it doesn't, it's not even really possible for us to stay on the same course.
Meghan Houle (41:06.51)
Mm-hmm.
Meghan Houle (41:16.633)
Yeah.
Meghan Houle (41:23.224)
Yeah.
Yeah.
Danielle Boucree (41:31.318)
that we were when we got engaged all the way through. But what's important is that we have respect for each other's journeys, right? And so if you are like loud and go-getter and your husband is, you know, maybe not so much, right? Then, or worth, right? Then to be able to like give your husband a space to shine and give yourself space to shine and vice versa. Like,
Meghan Houle (41:31.799)
all the time, right? Yeah.
Meghan Houle (41:47.795)
Or is and that's like a real like, whoa, watch out, right? Yeah.
Meghan Houle (42:00.699)
Yeah.
Danielle Boucree (42:01.358)
just respecting each other as people, right? Mutual respect is so important in a relationship. So that's really what it's all about. Nobody's expected to stay the same in any capacity.
Meghan Houle (42:04.869)
Yeah.
Meghan Houle (42:12.883)
No, and I said that the other, I mean, I'm going on 11 years of marriage and who I am today is hell no, a hard hell no of the person I was 11 years ago. And I feel like the evolution of who we are and there's highs and lows and pivots and all kinds of relationships, but yeah, I love that. I just feel like it's a mutual respect, but also going through your hope motions of talking about those feelings. Yeah, yeah.
Danielle Boucree (42:22.257)
Yeah.
Danielle Boucree (42:33.847)
Yeah.
Danielle Boucree (42:38.326)
You know what I've been having, you know what I've been having my couples do this month because it's, you know, the month of love, love month. Um, I've had them exactly. Exactly. Yeah, no pressure for jewelry, but the thing that I think is important, um, to do maybe every year though, is to review your love story.
Meghan Houle (42:44.123)
the love month. Hallmark's month. You're welcome Hallmark and Stover's chocolate and roses.
Danielle Boucree (43:04.566)
So like the moment I laid eyes on you to the moment we decided to be a couple, to say I do, that you talk about like how that happened for you and share the experience. Because there are things like, you know, oh, you were wearing that green sweater and it was really cute. Like just the things that come up that you didn't even realize, right? But then the second part of that homework is to identify just one thing that you had then.
Meghan Houle (43:05.013)
Aww.
Meghan Houle (43:24.752)
Um, yeah.
Danielle Boucree (43:34.338)
that you let go when life started lifeing, that you want back, and then talk about how you want it back, right? That is so intentional and so beautiful in all the ways, because that's the fuzzy, cute part of our relationship. And we can have that back, we didn't have to let it go. But if we did, if we let something go, then why not take it back?
Meghan Houle (43:57.355)
Yeah, wow. I mean, anyone listening in, gosh, we're playing this around. This is like amazing live couple's therapy session. So many good nuggets. I'm going to do that. I'm going to do that tonight. That's amazing. Maybe Friday, I'll like sit down and be like, hey, I actually have a card deck of almost like this like gratitude, like card deck journal.
Danielle Boucree (44:10.572)
awesome.
Danielle Boucree (44:20.47)
Yeah.
Meghan Houle (44:20.863)
where you know, you can do it for yourself. But I think it's so fun of pulling these like card decks and my husband is definitely not a person who loves to talk about his feelings or anything. But um,
Yeah, he talks about stuff is just a little different. But you know, like being able to say like, what was one of your like biggest hopes and dreams or you know, kind of like going deep sometimes I, I don't know, I feel like we're in a world to have sometimes these like very surface conversations, or we're very much tied up in a corporate environment where like we were saying you can't
Danielle Boucree (44:36.279)
Yes.
Danielle Boucree (44:45.078)
Yes.
Meghan Houle (44:57.547)
release the dragons of like your emotions or like who you are. But to be home and to be in a safe space and also to if you're girls with your friends and whatnot, you feel safe around that. It's just good to talk. I feel over these past four years, I've really found my voice which has been kind of fun and cool. It depends on who you ask, you know, but no, but that's so amazing. God what
Danielle Boucree (45:06.85)
Yeah.
Danielle Boucree (45:10.434)
Mm-hmm.
Meghan Houle (45:22.491)
golden nuggets of advice that you're giving. And I think a lot of things we can step back and do after listening to this podcast. What are you most excited about for the future of your business, Danielle? Tell us a little bit about what you're working on, anything coming up, like how people can work with you, because I know virtually there's some good flexibility. Right? Yeah.
Danielle Boucree (45:42.286)
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. So, you know, I have a clinical website, Hope Psychotherapy, which will, you know, if somebody needs a little extra level of care or has something really specific going on, I always say couples therapy is the place that you go for that. Right. Retreats and whatnot are really to keep a relationship healthy. But if there's something broken or you're feeling disconnected or something, then you start off with couples therapy.
And then you can move to something that's a little more broad. For Hope Station, I'm really excited to start. We're having free master classes, couple master classes, all throughout the year. And I'm really excited about just broaching some broader topics with people to help people keep their relationships top of mind. I actually hope that people come to all of them. They're not repetitious. They'll be on different topics.
Meghan Houle (46:25.347)
Mm-hmm.
Meghan Houle (46:38.223)
Yeah!
Wow, cool. Yeah.
Danielle Boucree (46:42.262)
which will be really exciting. And then we'll go into, we'll do some probably some workshops as well. But the masterclass is a really good way from anywhere virtual to get some good nuggets of information. I also have my Instagram at my hope station that are daily reminders to keep the relationship healthy and just some inspiration. There's also my newsletter. So the newsletter is really the place where you're gonna get the...
Meghan Houle (46:47.811)
Mm-hmm.
Meghan Houle (46:57.18)
Mm-hmm.
Danielle Boucree (47:11.978)
a little bit of a deeper dive into mental health, into relationships and information about the master classes and the workshops and all of that. So that's really where the biggest part of our community lies. But I'm just really excited to grow and to reach more people. That's why I went into this venture to begin with.
Meghan Houle (47:28.464)
Yeah.
Meghan Houle (47:32.863)
Oh, it's so great and such an abundance of ways to work with you that I feel like anyone after hanging up in this podcast, go over to the show notes and start clicking and following and subscribing and signing up to just what is your newsletter drop? Is it like a weekly or bi weekly? Oh, good.
Danielle Boucree (47:50.386)
It's bi-weekly, yeah.
Meghan Houle (47:52.675)
Yeah, so getting a little bit of inspiration your inbox of like, hey, how's it going? What are some of the topics that you cover? Is it just like, you have a blog or like, what's the inspiration behind the newsletter? Just the things that you share putting out bi weekly? Yeah. Cool.
Danielle Boucree (48:08.094)
Yeah, there's everything. Some of the things I've talked about today about being intentional and the benefits of being intentional. The last newsletter talked about being a power couple and what that really means. It is not Beyonce and Jay-Z. It's more than that. So yeah, just some inspiration to keep your relationship top of mind and to do things a little bit differently and some psychoeducation about the benefits of doing it.
Meghan Houle (48:13.531)
Mm-hmm.
Meghan Houle (48:21.803)
Yeah, cool. Yeah.
Meghan Houle (48:34.455)
Yeah. And I know Matt, you have some masterclasses coming up soon, but then throughout the years, or this year for 2024, will those be like a paid subscription? Or are you doing like, kind of like a membership model? Or how can people sign up for those or stay in the know? Yeah.
Danielle Boucree (48:51.575)
Right. So I think we're going to have a link to the workshop part of my workshop events part of my site. And so it is just, it's a one-off. It's a register here. The next one is March 5th, but it's just going to that page on the website and registering.
Meghan Houle (48:55.747)
Yes. Yeah.
Meghan Houle (49:01.74)
Awesome. Okay.
Meghan Houle (49:07.807)
Awesome. Wow. So many ways to work with you. Are you still taking on one on one clients too? Yeah. Wow. Okay. Nothing like kicking off the new year, get your relationship and track is really, you know, all the resolutions we make, although I hate resolutions, but resolve to fall back in love with your partner, you know, get yourself into a better communication strategy. Use hope as an action.
Danielle Boucree (49:13.988)
I am I am I have space right now, but yeah
Danielle Boucree (49:21.798)
Hmm. Exactly.
Danielle Boucree (49:30.839)
Yes.
Meghan Houle (49:36.811)
and an intention, you know, tell old stories about each other, you know, bringing up those warm and fuzzies. I love that. So amazing. You are such an incredible light. I am so grateful for you coming into my universe. And wow, what an incredible pivot. And I mean, at the pivot of all of it, it's the people. It's just loving people and loving to serve.
Danielle Boucree (49:37.035)
There you go.
Danielle Boucree (49:44.622)
Mm-hmm.
Danielle Boucree (49:48.491)
Thank you.
Danielle Boucree (49:59.082)
Yes. Yep. Yes, yes.
Meghan Houle (50:02.775)
right? Is that's kind of like what brings us all together here. Before I let you go, what do you feel like you're most proud of in this like big, big pivot you've made or what really stands out to you just in general, you know, in terms of being like proud or having a lot of gratitude for like making and committing to this pivot? Yeah.
Danielle Boucree (50:23.978)
Yeah. For me, what I'm most proud of is my ability to realize that I was my only limitation, like in all the, in all the pivots, right? It was, it was my own mindset and my own drive that I had to just own, right? Regardless of what the people around me would say. And, and I do have a lot of supporters, but then there are always those people who are a little bit more cautious, right? But that doesn't have to be me.
Right? I'm allowed to lean into all of my purpose. And so just giving myself permission to do, and to embrace and to love, I think it's my jam. I love it. I'm excited.
Meghan Houle (51:05.991)
I love it. Yeah. What are some things you're doing besides helping couples live their best life? Do you have any fun hobbies or must do's every day that just makes you to keep yourself aligned and intentional? Yeah.
Danielle Boucree (51:22.066)
It's funny that you mentioned that. I, um, I, in the past, I've not done the best job, right? I'm a mom of three, a mom of three. I said that again. So my kids are, you know, 18, 22 and 25. So they are, they are starting to really launch and be their own people. But I mean, for so long, I was guilty of that. Like, I have to be a mom. I don't have time to do anything because I have to be a mom. Um,
Meghan Houle (51:28.431)
Oh! Yeah! Aw! Yes. Wow! Yeah!
Danielle Boucree (51:49.582)
And I'm proud of the adults that I've raised, but I love spending time with my people. So yeah, I love spending time with my family, but I'm a dancer. So in terms of, you talked earlier about resolutions, I hope to get back into dancing this year just for myself, not for any competition, not for any performance, but just my own jam session, if you will.
Meghan Houle (51:57.421)
Waaah.
Meghan Houle (52:02.887)
Cool. Yeah.
Meghan Houle (52:10.089)
Mm-hmm.
Meghan Houle (52:17.843)
Absolutely. No dancing is so I love that. Please do. I'll invite me if there's any virtual dance clubs I can like hang out. I love dancing too. And I just feel like it's such a beautiful release. It can be so emotional. That's one show I do love what I love watching Dancing with the Stars. I know. But I just love seeing the evolution of people that also maybe aren't dancers and like the magic that it can like bring out in them and
Danielle Boucree (52:18.685)
Um, someone do more of that.
Danielle Boucree (52:24.786)
It'll be a party, yes.
Meghan Houle (52:43.043)
And then they're like, look at I think it was Adriana on like last season. Now she's on like Broadway. I mean, you just never know. Yeah, if you get on Dancing with the Stars awesome. But but I love dance movement, move your body and dang, like how lucky are all of your incredible kids to have such a cool mom like you but also like really helped them out in life with relationships. And I'm sure you learn a lot from each other. So
Danielle Boucree (52:49.943)
I know.
I'm sorry.
Danielle Boucree (53:07.038)
Yeah, absolutely.
Meghan Houle (53:08.507)
Oh, that's really great. Well, thank you so much for being on the podcast and for sharing all of your beautiful advice. And I cannot wait for others, hopefully in our podcast group. You know, let's all link up. Let's try to join some of your master classes, get on the newsletter, you know, continue to kind of share your voice and offering and just continue to get out and live our best lives and relationships possible. So thank you so much, Danielle. This is great. Yeah.
Danielle Boucree (53:12.994)
Thank you for having me.
Danielle Boucree (53:35.094)
Thank you, Megan.
Meghan Houle (53:36.503)
and have a great rest of your year. Go 2024, I can't wait to see your dance moves. Yeah. Thanks.
Danielle Boucree (53:41.157)
Thank you. Bye.
