Pivot With Purpose Season 6 Episode 1 Maggie Elentukh Full Transcript
Meghan Houle (00:01.075)
Hi, Maggie. Welcome to the Pivot With Purpose podcast. Thank you so much for being here with us. How are you doing?
Maggie (00:07.824)
Thank you for having me. I'm doing great and really excited to talk about pivoting careers today.
Meghan Houle (00:13.239)
Oh my gosh, and so many things. So, you know, kind of spoiler alert for this new season, season six, Maggie actually works for Triple 10, who happens to be one of our headline sponsors for season six. And I am just so excited to highlight Triple 10 across all episodes this season. Maggie, working with Triple 10, like not only are we gonna learn about your pivots.
and what you're doing in the business, but also being able to really hone in on what Triple 10 is all about, how people can use, professionals can use Triple 10 to pivot in their own careers, listening in with all your amazing offerings. So there's a lot to dive into, my friend. Are you ready? You ready to get this party started? Yes. So tell us, Maggie, where did your career get started? Early career highlights, where did you start? Yeah, tell us a little bit about that.
Maggie (00:57.75)
Yes, I am. I'm excited.
Maggie (01:09.4)
Yeah, you know, I always say that I really launched my career when I worked at General Mills. So this was after getting my MBA. That was a really big career pivot was going back to get my MBA after a couple of years after college. I went on the early side. I only had a couple of years of work experience and I landed. It was not easy, but I landed a great job in brand management at General Mills and worked there for.
you know, four or five years. And it was absolutely the foundation of my career, but leaving there was also the biggest pivot I made in my career. Um, it was also sort of like the scariest one. I was in my late twenties. I really invested a lot into my career there. I mean, I've got my MBA. I was, had done internships. I, uh, was like fully bought in on this brand management track. Um, and I'd say that's where I really launched my career, but looking back.
I had also made some really key pivots before then. I grew up always loving animals, thinking I was gonna be a veterinarian. And I was, I don't know how I was smart enough to do this. Maybe my parents encouraged me. I volunteered at a vet clinic in high school and was like, oh, I actually don't wanna do this. And that was the cheapest, most inexpensive time to make that decision. So looking back, I'm so glad that I was able to have that opportunity.
And then again, in college, my friends actually joked, I changed majors so many times. But looking back, so glad that I did it because it was cheaper and easier to do it then. The further I got into my career, the scarier it felt. So I'd say the biggest pivot I ended up making was after working at General Mills for several years. And it was a big decision, do I stay on this brand management track or do I go do something different?
Meghan Houle (02:45.658)
Yeah.
Meghan Houle (02:56.495)
Mm. And first and foremost, like going back, I love that you sort of tested something out that you really, and I was going to ask you in the next, like, are you doing today maybe what you thought you'd be doing early on? And already the answer is no, but I feel like so many people don't give themselves that opportunity to maybe experience that. And like you said, they spend so much money on all this education and training. And it's like that direct work experience sometimes can be so valuable.
no matter like what entry level, especially internship level, but I'm like, go in, try all the things, get that clarity from the engagement of like putting yourself in the environment. Because you may get into somewhere and you're like, not for me. And same, I love animals so much. Like I can't even walk into a pet, like one of the shelters, wanting to take every animal home. I can't even imagine being a vet. I'm like, I love you all the animals. So I love that. And I feel like...
to get that clarity early on, and then to make all of the pivots that you did. And it seems like the big one maybe kind of happened before General Mills in terms of where you landed. But I guess, yeah, where do you feel like that big, big pivot sort of came in your career that's maybe even led you to where you are today? Yeah.
Maggie (04:15.268)
Yeah, so I was working at General Mills, had a really great career going there. And a lot of my friends who I worked alongside when I was there have stayed in like the, that's sort of the consumer package good industry. And they've stayed and built marketing careers there. I sort of made a really critical decision. I don't wanna be doing specifically this for the rest of my career. And it was very scary because it would have felt very comfortable to stay there at that time.
but I just felt this very, very deep sort of, almost like a calling telling me like, I need to do something different. What it came down to for me is, I was rotating around to work on different products. And at the end of my time there, I was working on, well, two products. One of them was a Pillsbury brand cinnamon roll that is sold in convenience stores, like a gas station, which is delicious.
Meghan Houle (05:09.765)
I'm sorry.
Maggie (05:10.604)
But also really bad for you and I come from a faith I had thought about going into career in medicine after I gave up on the veterinary idea My parents are both in the medical field. I was like I just I'm having fun doing this But I don't feel good about it at the end of the day And the one the one way in which I have ended up where I thought I'd be is my parents had always kind of said To me like I think you're gonna be happy. Oh happiest in a career
Meghan Houle (05:19.279)
Yeah.
Meghan Houle (05:26.938)
Mmm. Yeah.
Meghan Houle (05:36.987)
Okay, yeah.
Maggie (05:39.188)
They said, I think you're going to be happiest in a career where you are in some way helping people. And when I figured out that wasn't going to be medicine, it wasn't going to be veterinary science, I was a little lost in what it was going to be. I ended up finding the business school and loving that and having so much fun there. But when I was, you know, well into my time at Journal Mills, I just had this sense that I don't think this is what I'm supposed to be doing. And so I ended up taking my business skills and
Meghan Houle (05:43.963)
Mm-hmm.
Maggie (06:08.108)
leaving that sort of like big company corporate world and going to nonprofits, specifically nonprofits doing K-12 education in Los Angeles and trying to reform the school systems there. So big scary pivot. I had no idea if I was going to be able to build a career here. I was definitely walking away from some money and took a pay cut, worked more hours and was instantly so much happier.
And ever since then I'd say like I've changed jobs a couple times since then but the thing that has tied my career together Has always been doing things that at the end of the day this organization is helping people do something really important So now at triple ten we're helping people. I'm helping adult instead of kids I'm helping adults in a really different way, but it's something that I feel so good about doing I love telling the stories that we have especially as a marketer communications professional
Meghan Houle (06:49.851)
Wow.
Meghan Houle (07:00.164)
Yeah.
Maggie (07:03.756)
I absolutely love the work that I'm doing here. And I know that that's gonna be like the pivot that sticks is the rest of my career. I'll always be working somewhere where I have a deep connection to the work that we're doing. And it's doing good in the world in some way.
Meghan Houle (07:18.587)
Oh, that's so beautiful. And thank you for sharing that. And I mean, I guess maybe you would say, is that one of the biggest learnings that you've gained from these career pivots is really strategically being in alignment with your purpose, but also giving back. Yeah.
Maggie (07:36.24)
Absolutely. I think just listening to that deep gut feeling, I actually think I was thinking about it and I was thinking about my, there's a friend of mine, you know, long time ago, I was dating somebody and wondering, should I break up with this person? I don't know. And I was talking to my friend and she's like, Maggie, when you know, you know, there's just no, you know, fudging it. And that's how I feel about these career pivots that I took. There comes a certain point where you're like hemming and hawing and then you're suddenly like,
Meghan Houle (07:55.947)
Yeah.
Yeah.
Maggie (08:05.132)
I have to do something different. I just know that I need to do something different. And a lot of our students at Triple 10, who take this also like similarly very scary leap to do a totally different career than what they've been doing, talk about having that sense of like feeling stuck for a while and not sure what to do. And then they get to this point where they're just like, they're so motivated because they're like, I know in my heart and soul and my gut, I have to do something different. So I'd say it's always worth listening. That's what I've.
Meghan Houle (08:09.128)
Ugh, yeah.
Maggie (08:33.732)
sort of like listen to throughout my career anytime I've pivoted. And it's always served me really well.
Meghan Houle (08:37.067)
Yeah. Oh, that's such great advice. And thank you for sharing that. And I'm sure that's going to land with a lot of people that over the past few years, I mean, I feel like we've all been sitting and have had some time since the pandemic to reevaluate what we're doing and where we want to prioritize our time and energy and all of that. So what brought you to Triple 10? What was that pivot like for you? Yeah, tell us the story. Yeah.
Maggie (08:54.418)
Yeah.
Maggie (09:06.876)
I was really drawn in by Triple 10. So I sort of discovered them on my own and was just reading stories of folks who had gone through their programs and changed their careers. And I was drawn in by these extremely personal stories people were telling about, you know, what it was in their life that wasn't working and feeling stuck and feeling like, you know, I either need more flexibility because I'm about to start a family or I need more money also because I'm about to start a family.
Or just, you know, I know I could be doing more. I could be doing more than this one story I was reading recently was someone who was And in his own words slinging boxes in a warehouse in a grocery store warehouse And when you listen to this guy talk, you can find his story on our website triple ten comm He is so bright. He's so brilliant and I it's hard for me to imagine him spending the rest of his career slinging boxes and he
Meghan Houle (09:49.179)
I'm going to go ahead and turn it off.
Maggie (10:04.992)
just knew that there was something better out there for him. So hearing these incredibly personal stories and when you change careers like this, it changes the trajectory of the rest of your life. So I was so inspired by those stories and had an opportunity to join the marketing team where you're specifically getting to tell these stories. I was really excited about that. So that's what brought me to Triple 10 was just the impact it's having on people's lives and I could personally
I have made these career pivots and it absolutely changed my life and how happy I was, you know, the ultimate trajectory of my career and all that.
Meghan Houle (10:41.535)
Yeah, so that's so cool. So you just sort of found them through like researching. Did you have your own gut instinct of like, it's time for something new and you landed on their page? Really? It was like a little serendipitous. Right? Yeah, that's cool. Yeah. Awesome.
Maggie (10:49.967)
Yeah.
Maggie (10:53.592)
Yeah, it was. They had a role posted. I came across it. And at that time, I was sort of like, I knew I needed to leave my last organization. Just the manager fit was, the manager had changed since I had started there and it just wasn't right anymore. I'll be honest, too. It was also the place I had worked. I'm really, I've actually really, the place I worked before was Hazel Health. I'm actually still very passionate about their work and I'm in touch with a lot of my friends there still.
Meghan Houle (11:07.311)
I'm out.
Meghan Houle (11:20.621)
Mm-hmm.
Maggie (11:21.744)
But it was the place I had worked during the pandemic. And I sort of felt like I needed to move on in so many ways. So there was a manager fit. But there was also just like, I need to leave this chapter of my life behind and be doing something different that isn't constantly reminding me of, well, we made this change because the pandemic happened. And I needed to stop reliving that for a minute.
Meghan Houle (11:35.547)
Yeah.
Meghan Houle (11:42.539)
Yeah. Ah, amen to that. Yes, yes. So tell us like, what is your direct role now with Triple 10 and how do you support the business?
Maggie (11:53.848)
Yes, I'm the VP of global communications and brand, and that's a really fun job. And it means that I get to decide, like, how do we show up to the outside world as a company? My favorite part, again, is like telling people stories. But I also help do some of our internal communications, which is also something I'm really passionate about because we're a fully remote company. So it's sort of this really unique, new challenge. How do you form company culture when you can't just do a happy hour? You know, we're across...
states and countries in our business and time zones. So how do you form a company culture and create a cohesive vision for people to be all in the same boat together when you're so spread out across time zones, countries, cultures, et cetera. So I love the internal communications part of my role. And then getting to set what our brand is, again, across countries, continents, et cetera. And I absolutely love it.
Meghan Houle (13:06.44)
Yeah. Well,
Maggie (13:08.988)
Yes.
Meghan Houle (13:18.051)
a remote team and like keeping everybody engaged and on the same page with your internal comms and then across all time zones. So I totally feel that too, because I'm hearing what I do in recruiting as we recruit all across the board. So I have to be super mindful. We have anything in like, Hawaii, or West Coast. Like Megan, it's 9am, you cannot text Hawaii. No, don't do that. But like, but I'm sure you too is like, you know, VP, like you have to be mindful of like, okay, where is this person based and be respectful to people's like,
Maggie (13:38.479)
I can relate to that.
Meghan Houle (13:47.087)
time and time zones and all different levels and layers of what people do all day. What's been your key to success? Yeah, so curious.
Maggie (13:54.652)
Yeah, I would say two things. One is very, this is very simple and very boring, but just saying a message multiple times. We can't send one Slack message and assume that the whole company definitely read it, definitely took away the message. People have really different learning styles. So we try to keep that in mind. So we try to hit many different ways of communicating people. And I'm always reminding the rest of our executive team.
Meghan Houle (14:04.268)
Yeah.
Meghan Houle (14:08.251)
season.
Maggie (14:19.864)
If this is something important for people to know, we need to say it at least three times in three different ways on like a Zoom call, a group Zoom call where we present it and we're delivering the information. Yes, do it, say it on Slack and send it from someone that people are gonna listen to and say, I need to read that message. And then also ask managers to tell their teams in their like individual smaller team group settings, because everyone just has a different way that they're gonna engage with the company, especially if they're like.
Meghan Houle (14:46.52)
Yeah.
Maggie (14:47.932)
varying levels of being checked in or checked out of what the broader company is doing outside of their specific team. Another is just really grounding in storytelling, that everything we're doing, telling people is a story. So a mistake I see a lot of folks make with remote teams is sharing some really key performance metrics for the company.
Meghan Houle (14:50.722)
Yeah.
Maggie (15:12.632)
and just saying like, okay, so here's where we're at with our financial performance and our sales performance and leaving it at that and forgetting to tell a story. Um, so our team has gotten really good at this in saying, you know, our sales used to be here and now they've come up to here and now where we're trying to go is here. Like this has a full story arc. And what did we go through to get there and what are we proud of and what are we going to, you know, keep doing more of, do a little bit less of to keep getting, keep hitting our goals.
Meghan Houle (15:39.301)
Yeah.
Maggie (15:39.72)
And so even with something as simple as like sales metrics, making more of a narrative around it. And then my favorite part is that I started doing when I got here is taking our students stories is again, very personal stories and bringing those into our internal meetings. Because there's so many folks on our team who don't interact with our students and don't get to hear the amazing feats that they're accomplishing in their life. Or they don't get to hear, you know, the person who tells their career counselor, I got a job today and I'm like crying with gratitude.
Meghan Houle (15:53.815)
Yeah.
Meghan Houle (16:08.071)
Life-changing. Yeah.
Maggie (16:09.384)
Right, because I know that I'm going to be able to like provide something for my child with special needs that I wasn't able to provide six months ago. So bringing those stories in and telling them is hugely impactful within our team and people really appreciate hearing those stories.
Meghan Houle (16:17.272)
Yeah.
Meghan Houle (16:26.551)
Oh my gosh, well, anybody listening from Triple 10, you are very lucky to have Maggie on your team because literally you just gave us not only communication pillars, which is so smart, and I say this all the time too, even with emails or follow-up, it can't just be one message. No one, like, no, I mean, even email, everything. Everyone knows sometimes it takes a few times to even get me because we're all busy, we're all booked, you catch people at different times. So I love that you use all of the communication mediums because you're right, learning like anything.
Maggie (16:49.095)
Yes.
Meghan Houle (16:56.771)
There's different ways people engage and choose to engage in terms of their preferences. So I love that. And then you're invoking emotions, building that connection with the brand. So people have this sort of like, I don't know, responsibility to be like, this is why Triple 10. And like, emotionally, like we're changing lives. And then really getting the buy-in of sharing like the value of the ROIs and like.
Maggie (17:15.749)
Yes.
Meghan Houle (17:23.015)
and what you're doing with all the data and how it's growing. So people feel like connected to like the business and like the bottom line and the goals too. So way to go, way to go, Maggie. So amazing, I love you. So let's fit it into tech careers. Oh, the big juicy, juicy question. So let's just like get down to breast hacks. Like what is a tech career? What does that mean? And what does it mean like versus working in the tech industry?
Maggie (17:30.78)
Absolutely.
Meghan Houle (17:52.151)
Cause I know, yes.
Maggie (17:53.144)
Yes, I love this question, especially where I live in Seattle. When you think tech career, you tend to think tech industry. So you tend to think like, oh, I have to work at Microsoft or Amazon or, you know, Facebook, Meta, Google, one of these big tech companies. So that would be the tech industry. But what we're training people for is a tech job and you can take those skills anywhere. So tech job means...
I'm a web developer, I'm a software engineer, I'm a data analyst, but I work at this company that does something totally different that I'm very passionate about. I'll just give one quick example. One of our graduates, her name is Tiffany, she worked as a special education teacher and her whole motivation for doing the Triple 10 Bootcamp was she wanted to change careers, she knew she could not teach anymore, she was feeling really passionate about it still, but bogged down by the bureaucracy.
So she had an incredibly specific goal in mind. She said, I want to work in ed tech at a company that makes curriculum, that makes like the computer programs our kids sit on, um, to learn reading, to learn math skills. They spend some portion of their day. She's like, that way I'm impacting not the 15 kids in my class, but you know, thousands and thousands of students. And I'm not held back by bureaucracy anymore. Um, so, and she did that. She did exactly that while she was teaching. She did our program part time.
So after teaching a full day, she was incredibly motivated, went home, did four hours of studying and completed our program, got a job before she even graduated at a ed tech curriculum company and has never looked back. She takes every opportunity she can to tell people how great this pivot was that she made in her career, which we love. And so that's a perfect example to me of someone who was like, okay, I'm gonna go learn some.
Meghan Houle (19:38.639)
Yeah.
Maggie (19:46.684)
some tech skills that are different than my current skill set. I'm going to learn how to do coding. I'm going to learn how to build a website. I'm going to learn front end and back end engineering and how to manipulate data and visual, show it in different visual ways. And then I'm going to take that, and this is what I would do anyway. I'm going to take that and I'm going to work at a company that does something I'm passionate about. I want to be a software engineer for, you know, BetterHelp is a great example. They hire a hundred software engineers, you know, providing online therapy. So,
Meghan Houle (20:09.595)
Mm-hmm.
Maggie (20:15.596)
If you listen to podcasts, we've all heard of BetterHelp. So the difference between tech industry, which you might think like these big companies, I think some people think of selling out when they think of that type of career path. And what Tiffany did is exactly the opposite. She was checking in even further to her purpose-driven work.
Meghan Houle (20:17.931)
Yeah, yeah, definitely.
Meghan Houle (20:35.311)
Yeah. Why should someone consider a career pivot into tech, from your opinion?
Maggie (20:41.336)
Oh gosh, you know, like I've been saying, this is such, anyone you ask will have a different answer that's deeply personal to them. But I will tell you some general themes, which is almost everyone who joins a tech bootcamp got to a point in their career where they feel stuck. They feel like either I need to be able to have more freedom in my time, like I need a remote job where I'm able to like run my kid to the dentist in the middle of the day and then bring them back to school and then carry on with my work day rather than being stuck in like.
Meghan Houle (20:49.732)
Mm-hmm.
Maggie (21:10.364)
We have a lot of teachers, a lot of nurses who join our programs, um, or just people, there's one person who is, uh, in the fashion industry, super glamorous job. Her name is Isabelle, but she was traveling like 90% of the time and decided I need to be home. Uh, I want to be home now. And again, it's often deeply personal. A lot of times people want to make more money, which is very fair, but the reasons for that are always so personal. Like we're saving to buy a home because we want our kid to be in this school district.
we are wanting to make more money to be able to invest in something in our lives. It's never just like, I want more money to make more money because I'm greedy. It's always something really deeply personal and meaningful to people. So commonly, they want more flexibility, make more money, and then also to be able to advance. You know, when you look at starting salaries for being a software engineer,
Meghan Houle (21:50.393)
Alright.
Meghan Houle (21:53.797)
Yeah.
Maggie (22:07.1)
You're like, that looks great. But, and it might be only like a little bit more. We have people who are making maybe like 70 K and they want to make a hundred K at least as a, you know, actually starting salaries are often higher than that for software engineering. But let's say like they're being very reasonable. They're saying, I want to go from making 70 to making a hundred. And I just like, you know, in this career I'm in, there is nothing above 70 K. I need new skills. So I'm going to go, I'm going to work really hard and I'm going to get new skills and I'm going to take that.
Meghan Houle (22:30.106)
Yeah.
Maggie (22:34.724)
and then my starting salary will be this, but the ceiling for those jobs is, you know, much, much higher than that, double, triple that, depending on how high you wanna go.
Meghan Houle (22:43.507)
Yeah. Absolutely. Well, and how are you seeing? Or I guess have you seen since you've been on board, like an influx increase of professionals wanting to come in and pivot? Or do you feel like, do you think it's like cyclical where there's like time years where it's like high highs, and then we're getting a lot of people and then there's like dips? Or do you find it consistent? Is it getting crazier the people signing up with the boot camps? Like just so curious of like how you've seen the trends? Yeah.
Maggie (22:58.894)
Yeah.
Maggie (23:11.272)
It absolutely is cyclical. I will say, there are many different places you can do a tech bootcamp. I will say we're seeing more people come to us, specifically to Triple 10, because we're a different type of bootcamp. The bootcamp industry started with this idea that like, okay, you're gonna put your whole life on pause. You're gonna work 80 hours a week on only learning how to code for...
Meghan Houle (23:13.379)
Mm-hmm.
Meghan Houle (23:18.52)
Yeah.
Mm.
Maggie (23:35.864)
eight weeks for 12 weeks. It's just sort of like crazy. That's why they called it a bootcamp, right? You put your whole life on pause. Um, and this is all you're doing. And like, I don't know about you. I couldn't afford to do that. I can't, I can't just like quit my job and be like, I'm just going to study for three months. Um, so, uh, our program is a little bit different. First of all, it's very purposely spread out over 10 months. And that's for two reasons. One is you're allowed to work while you're doing it. It's meant to be like a couple hours a day that you're investing in this.
Meghan Houle (23:50.287)
Yeah.
Maggie (24:05.636)
still have to be very, very motivated to do that, but that's one thing. And then the other thing is, you know, you have more time to incorporate this knowledge. We're a 10 month program. That's similar for our software engineering program, just as an example. We have a couple shorter programs as well, but this is sort of like our most popular program. That's the equivalent of the same number of school months in like a one year master's program. So you have much more time to actually like fully incorporate the knowledge, build a portfolio.
Meghan Houle (24:05.709)
Mmm.
Meghan Houle (24:17.187)
Yeah.
Maggie (24:35.172)
so that you're able to then, when you go to a job interview for a tech job, you are interviewing for, they call it a behavioral interview, doing, you know, just answering questions about yourself and your work style. And then you're showing your skills through a portfolio. They actually look at your code and wanna see where does the rubber meet the road. So our graduates graduate with a very robust portfolio. And then our program is specifically designed as a career switching program.
Meghan Houle (24:35.688)
Oh.
Meghan Houle (24:49.567)
Oh, wow. Yeah.
Yeah.
Maggie (25:02.224)
So almost all of our graduates come to us with, they have some other career. They've been working anywhere from three to 15 years in some other career. And that is becoming very popular because I think especially with inflation, with people are suddenly like, making more money is not an option anymore. I literally need to make more money to keep up with my expenses and how fast they're rising.
And so folks are definitely gravitating towards like this longer program that has extremely robust career supports and a career guarantee.
Meghan Houle (25:28.509)
and
Meghan Houle (25:37.127)
Right, I know. I can't wait to go into that too. Well, and I think also too, to give someone the flexibility of maybe they're in an expensive city, right? And they can make a pivot to, you know, once they finally compete, like complete the program, sorry, like being in something that is a desirable location that they've always dreamed about, but like that's not where the jobs are, quote unquote. I mean, you're an expensive city, I'm an expensive city.
Maggie (25:46.381)
Yes.
Maggie (25:59.556)
at too. Yeah.
Meghan Houle (26:02.911)
Uh, it's, that's real too. So I think giving someone time, freedom, flexibility, more financials, like it's all aligned, um, but I love that it's something where you're not feeling like it's like this fast track and you gotta get it done in like three months. And I always say to him, yeah. And also to like, nothing should ever feel forced in life, right? Like I feel like when we're like forcing, like getting something done or finishing a course.
Maggie (26:17.392)
Hmm. That's too much pressure.
Maggie (26:23.977)
Yes, oh I so agree.
Meghan Houle (26:30.243)
I mean, a lot of times like that's when people tap out because they're overwhelmed or they get frustrated. They're not picking it up. And it's so hard, I have to imagine and would love to hear more too about how you support people in the bootcamp. But like, maybe there's just someone who is like having a bad week and like doesn't wanna log on. Like we need more time. And I just feel like when everything is like so forth, like the margin for error is that much greater but also like the...
Maggie (26:32.944)
Yes.
Meghan Houle (26:55.667)
absorption of learnings and having things stick and like feeling really good about it is also sometimes like non-existent because in that time, like you said, you have kids, you have family, you have another job, there could be anything that could come up and then you feel like you wasted all this money and you're not getting out of it what you want. I've been there, done that.
Maggie (26:58.417)
Yes.
Maggie (27:13.12)
I don't know about you, but literally just like one, adding like one dead disappointment to my week just throws my whole week off. So yeah, I absolutely would need that flexibility. Like...
Meghan Houle (27:17.955)
Oh my God. I get so pissed. I look at my calendar, I'm like, what's on there today? And sometimes I'm very angry, Maggie, let's say that, but it's to my own detriment, because we need to do all the things. But not only appointments, it so stacks up. So I love that, I appreciate that. I love the way that it's spread out like that. And upskilling, as we've been talking about. Also for any of my fashion listeners,
music to their ears of like getting out of an industry where I think a lot of times people are in these specific industries where they're like Megan I'm trying to interview and people don't think I have skills and I don't have skills. I'm like you have skills It's hard skills soft skills I mean what you're learning are truly hard skills that you know You can come in like you said with your portfolio and say look at what I've done Look at what I've built look at my work, which I think is amazing It's definitely a future trend and I think
upskilling and really selling, being a part of Triple 10 and learning and having this incredible time, almost like an MBA, and learning kind of on the tech side can add and complement to their transferable skills when they go in and land a job and be able to show up with confidence and say, this is why I should hire me. How do you feel like maybe joining this program can benefit someone's career journey, in your opinion, with the bootcamp?
Maggie (28:40.524)
Oh gosh, that's such an interesting question because, you know, as someone who's worked in marketing, I mean, when I started in marketing, social media did not exist or it, it barely exist. It existed just for people, not for companies. Companies did not have a Facebook profile.
Meghan Houle (28:49.133)
Oh yeah.
Meghan Houle (28:54.467)
I don't remember hers. Well, the first time you heard Facebook, like I remember being on like a sales floor, like I was in like fashion. I'm like, what's Facebook? Like a long time ago, but like it was like a college thing. Remember? I mean, that's kind of like how it started. So yeah, now I'm old.
Maggie (29:04.085)
yeah
Maggie (29:07.98)
Yes. Yeah, it was just for like messing around with your friends. There was no idea that a brand would have a Facebook page. So marketing has changed so dramatically in the time that I've been in it. I feel like I'm ready to start learning some coding skills. And, you know, I think like some folks who are further into their career are like, oh, is it like crazy to go back and start learning again?
Meghan Houle (29:16.714)
Yeah.
Maggie (29:32.432)
What I'm noticing about Gen Z, you know, a lot of the people on my team like report to me, or I work really closely with, are closer to Gen Z than, you know, I'm a millennial, is that they have gone into their careers knowing they're gonna need to keep up their skills, and a completely different mindset than when I started my career. And I'm always so impressed by this. They are asking for this when they're job interviewing, they're asking like, can you, you know, give me a couple thousand dollars a year to continue to build my skillset? And they're just so smart.
Meghan Houle (29:41.699)
Mm-hmm.
Meghan Houle (29:47.032)
Yeah.
Meghan Houle (29:50.297)
Yeah.
Maggie (30:02.452)
overall where careers are headed that we're all going to be pivoting and reinventing ourselves so much more and that's only going to increase. So I feel like Triple 10 does play a role in there. I would say like right now our programs are you know geared towards like if you have no coding skills whatsoever so you know you're not upskilling your existing coding skills you're actually adding coding skills to your resume.
Meghan Houle (30:02.772)
Um, no.
Meghan Houle (30:27.235)
Right.
Maggie (30:27.372)
And the further I get in my career, the more I'm like, I mean, I'm absolutely 100% going to need to take a course to fully learn how to leverage AI. I'm giving it like a couple months, maybe another year to, for those, for AI to like settle for the dust to settle on it. Um, we're going to eventually have an AI course. We're also just sort of like waiting for the dust to settle on that. Um, to make sure we're teaching the right skillset. We're all about teaching sustainable skill sets.
Meghan Houle (30:37.215)
Yeah.
Meghan Houle (30:43.727)
Yeah.
Maggie (30:54.2)
And so I want to make sure we're not just teaching AI skills for like the next six months version of how we're all using AI. But yeah, I absolutely think this is like critical to how people are going to be just like interacting with their careers over the decades that they're working decades and decades.
Meghan Houle (31:08.131)
Yeah, super critical. And I mean, it comes up more now than not. I mean, even from like a fashion and being on the sales floor, like learning tech and a computer, like, how tech savvy are you? You're like, is that a real interview question? I'm like from a scale, on a scale of one to 10. But you know, I think like it's ever changing and it's so hard to keep up with the times. I mean, even within our group, just managing chat GPT sometimes, like people are like, I can't do it and walk away.
Maggie (31:21.493)
Yeah.
Meghan Houle (31:38.347)
How amazing is it to you know have something that is available? I don't know I mean when you think of tech boot camps, I mean you guys are kind of the first that come to mind And now it's like I even love your programming that much more now. I've gotten a chance to get to know you so I Yeah, gosh what an amazing what an amazing business and company you have I love it. I love it. I love it So tell us more about triple 10 like the boot camp offering
what is he offering all about? I know we kind of mentioned the framework, but like let's get into like the nitty gritty of like someone coming to the website. Where do they go? How do they sign up? What are they learning about? Yeah.
Maggie (32:17.348)
I would actually recommend, you know, I'm all about storytelling. I would recommend if someone comes to our website, triple10.com, that they check out under why triple 10. We have a section that says 1000 plus successful graduates. And if you click there, you can watch videos of people in their own words, there's, you know, videos, blog articles, et cetera, of a whole bunch of folks who have.
Meghan Houle (32:20.687)
Okay.
Maggie (32:40.86)
made this switch and You know for your fashion listeners definitely look for Isabelle's story coming from the fashion industry Also AC slam it. I love his story He was working as a producer in the television industry similar thing where you think of it as like this glamorous career Why would you ever leave it? But actually there's a lot of things about it that just were not working for his life So I would start by reading folk stories that I think is the best way to sort of
check your own gut, like I have this gut feeling that I wanna change and this might be one way to do it. I will say, like look, I have made career pivots that were like a huge leap off of a cliff. It felt like a huge risk. And we sometimes describe like, this is like taking a leap into a tech career. It's actually a very proven path with a job guarantee for six months. So if you have like that inkling of like, I wanna do something different, but I don't have time.
Meghan Houle (33:18.447)
We'll see you then.
Meghan Houle (33:29.413)
Yeah.
Maggie (33:33.636)
I don't have time to waste. I need to like pick something I know is going to work. Definitely like reading the stories and listening to there's videos, there's blog articles, et cetera. Um, reading and listening to the stories of others will help sort of like check your gut, um, on is this, does it, does this resonate with me? Does it sound like the type of change I'm looking to make as well? Um, so that's one place to start. And then, you know, there's like a million places on our website to just like,
fill out a form, book a call with someone on our team. And what that call is, is they basically just walk you through what we're looking for is like, is this the right time in someone's life to do this? There's no admissions criteria. Other than like, you know, do you basically know how to use a computer and you feel confident like logging into the program? That's essentially what we're looking for is, is this the right time in your life to invest in this? We want to make sure like you're doing this at the right time.
Meghan Houle (34:11.119)
Oh... Uh-huh.
Meghan Houle (34:19.546)
Right. Yeah.
Maggie (34:28.284)
and are you really motivated to make a change? Those are what we don't have strict criteria for admissions. It's really up to you to answer those questions. But our admissions advisors just sort of talk you through, you know, so tell me where you're at in your life. Like, what information do you need? Like, how can I help? There's so much information overload out there in the internet. They can sort of help guide you as to like, well, why don't you like read these couple of things and then we'll talk again and figure out if this is seeming right for you.
Meghan Houle (34:33.7)
Okay.
Maggie (34:57.348)
Absolutely not any sort of like high pressured sales environment. I hate that. I used to work in sales and I feel like I'm extra sensitive to it because of that. This is like not at all that. It's just like conversations with some like very chill people about whether this is like, you know, you can come in being like, what is this? Yeah, you don't have to feel like you've done your homework.
Meghan Houle (35:02.132)
Right? Yeah.
Same. Mm-hmm.
Meghan Houle (35:16.599)
Yeah, no, and I love that. Yeah, and I love that that's the onboarding process, almost like vetting, but not really. But there's going to be questions on all sides. And I think that that's so smart because, again, going back to some of the things where we have a midnight epiphany and we're like, let me sign up for this course. And then you just sign up and you're like, what did I do? You don't have somebody that.
Maggie (35:23.365)
Yeah.
Maggie (35:36.119)
Totally.
I'm sorry.
Meghan Houle (35:42.087)
can talk you through it. And make sure, again, mindset time, like all of that, it's going to work for you. So I'm sure sometimes people are like, heck yes, set me up. And then sometimes you will need like a minute to like process and like come back. But I think it's so smart and open and they can come and watch the stories and like really learn and be super engaged with like right off the bat. So that's really amazing. And beyond fashion, I mean, professionals that listen in.
Maggie (35:43.84)
Yeah.
Meghan Houle (36:10.123)
Some of them are just coming out of school, are in real estate, finance, beauty, all these industries that are wear and tear, totally with all the commission and the brokers and all of that. So what types of jobs, maybe, for people listening in, for somebody in real estate or kind of the finance space, beauty, any of these industries, or coming out of college, what can they get in this tech?
Maggie (36:15.227)
Mm-hmm. Gosh, real estate just had that huge change. Mm-hmm.
Maggie (36:38.032)
Yeah
Meghan Houle (36:38.919)
world after they complete the bootcamp? Like, where do you see people have really successful pivots? Or is there like a certain program that they're always just really drawn to that's like a fan favorite for people signing up? Yeah.
Maggie (36:50.688)
Yeah, especially for people who love having just like a little bit of creativity. I think that's a misconception of tech jobs is like, I'm just going to be, you know, slamming away to computer. It's not going to be creative at all. Um, being a software engineer or web developer, full stack developer. That means like both the front end and the back end of how a website is functioning or, or an app or something. Um, is, uh, you know,
Meghan Houle (36:56.503)
world.
Maggie (37:18.28)
probably one of the most creative jobs out there actually because you are constantly making decisions on how something's gonna look, how something's gonna work, what color this button should be, how should this be designed, what images we're gonna use to really pull people in. So I think that there's actually way more creativity in this job than I think it gets a rap for. And I would say that the most popular program we have is Software Engineer.
Meghan Houle (37:25.411)
Yeah.
Maggie (37:46.812)
But there's also a really big need right now for data analysts and data scientists. And what those jobs essentially constitute are taking data from a business and then finding a very unique way to visualize it so other people can understand it. So if you love changing how something looks so that other people can understand it, that is what that job is. And it's a really, really powerful position in a company to be able to say, I'm going to take
this huge spreadsheet of data which nobody could look at and gain any ideas from whatsoever. And I'm gonna find 10 different ways to show interesting insights from this. That's actually an incredibly creative process. And it is not a crazy thing to do. I think I just wanna validate for listeners, it's not a crazy thing to do to think like, I need to just make a huge change in my career and take this kind of leap to get more money and flexibility in your job and in your life.
Meghan Houle (38:27.119)
Wow.
Meghan Houle (38:43.043)
Yeah, yeah.
Maggie (38:44.608)
And we have folks coming from every background you could imagine, you know, coming from teaching, coming from finance roles, coming from working in a music therapist. So someone who had like a full teacher as a music therapist and someone who's had a great job as a financial analyst in...
Meghan Houle (39:00.138)
Oh wow.
Yeah.
Maggie (39:09.016)
sort of like the oil industry and was just like, I don't want to be in this industry anymore. I don't want to be in this space. And then the great thing about a bootcamp is you get skills. So what you're learning is skills. You can take those skills to any type of company you want. And so I think that is sort of the beauty of it is you're gaining a skillset that is transferable.
Meghan Houle (39:13.261)
Right?
Meghan Houle (39:17.932)
Mm-hmm.
Meghan Houle (39:23.716)
Yeah.
Maggie (39:30.34)
And that's sort of what I did with my marketing skill set. Like what I learned when I worked at General Mills and when I studied for my MBA is a set of skills that were all around marketing, branding, communications. And then I took those and applied it to something I was way more passionate about. And that's what I think a lot of our students do in the end.
Meghan Houle (39:49.975)
Yeah, that's your pivot with purpose. Absolutely. And I can tell you too, from someone who's created multiple websites, there's a lot of money in that creation. Oh my gosh, please. I mean, and that all goes into branding, where you can lock in. And some websites are expensive. I mean, if they need to work and they need to work in a specific way, yeah, I think that all the resources you're providing, completing this boot camp are expensive.
Maggie (39:52.525)
Yeah.
Maggie (39:59.284)
Nah, you had to pay for it.
Meghan Houle (40:19.651)
So what are some of your favorite success stories? Is there someone that really stands out to you? And I think sometimes they can get really emotional too, because like you were saying, it's changing somebody's lives or getting them out of a bad situation to provide something better, different, more, for whatever that means to someone. So what have been some of your favorites? Yeah, or just one that stands out, yeah.
Maggie (40:40.078)
Yeah.
Maggie (40:44.012)
Yeah, we had one student named Judith who spoke at one of our events that we held and talking about like an emotional story. This person shared that they have a sister who has special needs and they lived with them and were responsible for a lot of their care and they were working a job where they were on you know eight-hour shifts a day as a certified nursing assistant and
just had zero flexibility. Their schedule would change week to week, and they were not in control of their own schedule and their own time, and this was just absolutely not working for being able to care for her sister. And so, Judith's sharing her story about why she wanted to do this program, and that it absolutely had the desired impact of she was able to get a fully remote job, where
you know, all that matters is she has the skills and she is doing the work. It doesn't necessarily matter exactly what hours in the day those are happening. She was able to have the flexibility she needed to care for her sister. And it just meant the world to her. It was something she'd been struggling with for, you know, a decade before this. So I think stories like that are really, really meaningful to hear and just sort of like, why we continue to do this work.
Meghan Houle (42:08.427)
Yeah. Well, and I would say so when someone comes into the program and they're getting started, is it, because I know you say it's like a couple hours a day, what is the daily commitment? If somebody wanted to do more, could they, Maggie? Do you have professors or is it kind of like guided learnings? How does it work behind the scenes? Give us a little behind the scenes. Yeah.
Maggie (42:19.27)
Yeah.
Maggie (42:26.513)
Yeah.
Maggie (42:32.696)
Oh, yeah. Yeah, great question. So because a lot of times in a tech job, so if you join a company as a software developer, you're often working on a team that is working in two weeks sprints. So like your team decides together, what are we gonna work on for the next two weeks? They work on that for the next two weeks and then check at the end of those two weeks, did we accomplish our goal? Or do we need to keep working on this feature that we're working on, for example?
Meghan Houle (42:57.975)
Hmm. Yeah.
Maggie (42:59.788)
Because of that, our program is designed the same way. We're sort of all about like, let's follow what your job is going to be like when you graduate so that you're best prepared for a sustainable career. And so our program is also designed in two week sprints. So you have a two week sprint. It is a lot of self-guided learning during that time. I would say it's self-guided learning with a lot of supports around it. So you have someone called a success manager that you a team of success managers.
that are literally there just to help you navigate the program and like check in with if you're stuck in any way. That's also someone you'd reach out to if you're like, I need to pause the program for two weeks because, or I need to pause the program for four weeks because I'm getting married and I need to, I need to like just, I want to keep going. I'm, I'm still committed. I just need to pause it for this one month and then rejoin it when my life stabilizes again, which I so love. Um, so we have success managers. We have tutors who are people who
Meghan Houle (43:41.024)
Right. Yeah.
Meghan Houle (43:50.459)
Uh-huh.
Maggie (43:55.596)
are actual who actually work in this field and they're reviewing your code and giving you real feedback on it just the way you would get from your team at your job after graduation. So this is not a like sit and listen to professors in a lecture format. This is self-guided learning, going through the modules, completing assignments that will then become part of your portfolio, part of your resume when you graduate.
Meghan Houle (44:19.547)
Yeah.
Maggie (44:21.024)
and then with lots of supports around it and very clear deadlines along the way so you know exactly where you are. Because of the two week sprint, we know if someone's falling behind pretty immediately within two to three weeks rather than you go into this 10 month program and six months in, you're four months behind. We know exactly where you are and then check in with you if you are starting to fall behind and figure out where you need more support, et cetera. So...
Very much like self-guided which gives people appreciate that because it gives them It accommodates different learning styles for one thing. I there's nothing I dislike more than like sitting and listening to a professor lecture at me it's fully remote front so you're doing it from home on your computer and The Sorry and then the fully it's fully remote at home from your computer
Meghan Houle (45:00.955)
Oh, God. No. Yeah.
Meghan Houle (45:06.875)
Mm-hmm.
Maggie (45:19.132)
and provides a lot of flexibility to just fit into your life the way you want it to fit in. So some folks will do, like I said, two to four hours a day. Some folks will say, I'm not going to touch this during the Monday through Friday. I'm going to only work on it eight hours each day on the weekend. So it's about a 10 to 20 hour a week commitment, just depending on how fast you're moving through the curriculum and how you learn.
Meghan Houle (45:41.561)
Yeah.
Meghan Houle (45:45.146)
Yeah.
Maggie (45:45.384)
So we always say 10 to 20 hours a week, and that just varies person to person. And how you split up those hours is 100% flexible, which I love.
Meghan Houle (45:53.947)
Mm-hmm. Yeah. And I mean, anybody can sign up at any time, right? There's not specific cohorts or like, this is our season or class 123, right? So you come in, and then assuming that you intercept them on the other side, get them onboarded. So it's constantly new people coming in. It's exciting. Yeah.
Maggie (46:03.08)
Correct.
You're right.
Maggie (46:15.576)
Yeah, you can join it any time of year. So like if it's a 10 month program or we have some seven month programs, whatever is the right time for you to start and finish that, you sort of like slot that into your life. You don't have to follow a school year schedule, for example.
Meghan Houle (46:25.923)
Yeah.
Meghan Houle (46:29.387)
Yeah. Well, let's get to the end of the program. Tell us more about the 100% guarantee. Get a job or get a refund on messaging. What's the driving force behind that guarantee, Maggie? And what jobs are they getting? And how do they get them? You end and you're like, yes, here's my new job. Yeah.
Maggie (46:47.708)
Yeah, this is I'd say our guarantee is just us being like co accountable for the success of the program because what we're telling what we're saying for this program is we're going to not we're going to teach you new skills. We're saying we're going to help you get a new job and often for people that means a new life and that is a very, very important promise to make to folks that we want to be just as accountable for otherwise like we have no business making that promise right. So,
Meghan Houle (46:53.113)
Hmm.
Meghan Houle (47:05.083)
That's awesome.
Meghan Houle (47:13.787)
Totally. Yeah.
Maggie (47:15.964)
We guarantee that like within with you if it's a 10 month program Then if you started looking for a job at that point for six months, you don't have a job in your field So you studied software engineering if you don't have a job that's adjacent to that field by the end you You don't have to pay for the program We give you your money back and that's unique because there are some boot camps out there You have to really read the fine print on these guarantees. There are some boot camps out there that say they offer
some sort of job get a job guarantee. That's what that's what we call it like inside our company or get a job guarantee. That will say they offer that but it could be any job, it doesn't need to be in your field. So there's these horror stories out there of someone saying like, I worked, you know, as a barista before I started this program, I did the program and I could not get a job as a software engineer. So I for another program. So I, you know, had to go back and get like a job as you know, a waitress.
Meghan Houle (47:49.437)
Uh huh.
Maggie (48:13.684)
and that is not in my field, but they're like, well, you got a job. So that's the guarantee. I know. Yeah, it's ridiculous. No. So ours, we're in the fine print, ours specifically said, like in your field of study. And it says it on our website as well, very prominently. So we're guaranteeing that you're going to successfully make this big important switch that you're investing in and we're investing in you as well. So I think that's critically important that it's in your field of study.
Meghan Houle (48:18.403)
Oh gosh. Yeah, you're like, no, don't think so.
Meghan Houle (48:30.52)
Yeah.
Maggie (48:44.352)
And then a lot of folks actually end up getting a job before they graduate. So this is something I think people don't know about. We're like, what you hear in the news is like, you know, Microsoft had layoffs or whatever, you know, is happening at these bigger companies. There is still a S the reason bootcamps exist is there's still a very serious lack of coding talent. We're still catching up. I think, think about like how many apps have come out in the last 10 years. Our labor force has not adjusted to that.
Meghan Houle (48:47.999)
Oh, cool. Yeah.
Meghan Houle (49:08.869)
Yeah.
Maggie (49:12.036)
We're still importing software engineers from outside the US to the US to fill these seats. So there are so many jobs out there. I don't want people to read the news and think like, oh, but aren't they having layoffs at tech companies? First of all, probably not going to work at a tech company. You're probably going to work. Yeah. Yeah, you're probably going to work in a tech job at a company that does literally anything because every company now needs.
Meghan Houle (49:12.132)
Yeah.
Meghan Houle (49:22.136)
Yeah.
Meghan Houle (49:30.455)
Right, that's different. Go back and listen. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
Yeah.
Maggie (49:39.888)
some software engineers, some web developers on their team and data analysts as well. And there is just like still a very serious lack of talent out there. So that's why we're able to offer this guarantee. There's just so many jobs out there for intro introductory jobs.
Meghan Houle (49:56.579)
Yeah, no, it's amazing. Yeah. Well, question to you. I mean, for so many business owners that I know and creating apps, can companies come to you Maggie, knowing what you provide and say, Hey, Maggie, like, I need to build this app for this website. Like, who's graduating? Who do you got for me? Can you work it like the other way around? Like, do clients come to you as well? Yeah. Interesting.
Maggie (50:08.956)
Yeah.
Maggie (50:21.048)
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. We have a program where during their course of study, students have an opportunity to do an externship, which means like doing a small contained project for a real company. And then they have something very, very real on their resume and in their portfolio to show, it sort of like solves that chicken and egg problem you have when you're switching careers, like I don't have experience, but I need the job to get experience, etc.
Meghan Houle (50:26.779)
Mm-hmm.
Meghan Houle (50:44.258)
Yeah.
Maggie (50:49.752)
So we help solve that chicken and egg problem for students by giving them externship. So that's the way we partner with companies. We love doing this, especially with nonprofits, where it's really going to benefit them, where they may not be able to afford hiring an experienced software engineer, but they'd love to have a small team of our students work on a really specific problem for them. So the companies absolutely can come to us. Then if they want to hire our graduates, we have a whole team dedicated to that as well.
Meghan Houle (50:59.013)
Yeah.
Meghan Houle (51:11.587)
Wow, cool.
Maggie (51:18.992)
to placing our graduates in careers and a couple places where we are developing a pipeline, where they know they need new talent every year. So absolutely, folks who've come to us as well, if they're looking for talent for it, no matter how small it is, because we have those externships, we love helping nonprofits, small businesses, people getting their business off the ground.
Meghan Houle (51:39.703)
Yeah. Okay. So I knew that there was a bigger reason why we're in each other's faces. So more to come on that because on the other side, Megan Hool is looking to build some big things. So stay tuned, Maggie. We hope you'll be in touch offline. No, the universe is such a wild place, isn't it? Truly. It really is. So before I let you go, a couple of fun questions. Advice for someone listening in, looking to start over in their career.
Maggie (51:44.76)
Uhhh
Maggie (51:50.745)
Nice.
Maggie (51:57.275)
It is.
Meghan Houle (52:07.931)
any, you know, age, any like place in their life. I feel like it is so scary, right? Like what is your advice? And like, what are they missing out on by not doing it? If you have examples, I mean, you've had amazing pivots at all levels in your career. There just is a lot of shame, I feel like, in people starting over and being a beginner at something. You know? Yeah.
Maggie (52:10.824)
Oh my god, do it.
Maggie (52:27.724)
Oh my gosh, my advice is do it now. And I have, sorry, you're gonna have to edit that part out. So my advice is do it now and also go listen to the standup on Netflix, Neil Brennan, his most recent standup comedy special on Netflix. He talks about this, he talks about like, oh, my friends are saying I did my career backwards because he had this.
Meghan Houle (52:35.634)
No, it's fine.
Meghan Houle (52:48.555)
Okay, ooh, ready. Yeah.
Maggie (52:54.608)
big, big career in writing for other comedians, for TV shows, for Dave Chappelle. And then he decided he felt this deep calling, he needed to go back and do stand up. And he went to like the bottom level. So when you're talking about like the shame that you feel, he has no regrets. Let's just say that's the punchline of that is that he has no regrets. I have no regrets of the times that I've started over. I felt so terrified and like, like
Meghan Houle (53:13.603)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Maggie (53:22.2)
I was scared of being embarrassed. I was when I left this big career at General Mills to go work at a small nonprofit in Los Angeles. I was like, people are going to think I'm crazy, but I just know I need to do this. And looking back, like I am so glad I did not, I don't want to say waste, but I'm glad I didn't wait. I'm glad I didn't wait and like suffer. When you know you need to make a change, there's this feeling that you have and you're actually sort of like suffering when you're in that job that you know you shouldn't be in.
So I'm just glad I didn't like suffer another couple of years in that job. And I'm glad I started it when I did because it's, it's why I am where I am now. I don't know. My advice is just do it because I've never regretted it and do it now because I'm looking back, like every time I've done it, it's like anytime later that I tried to make that change, it would have been harder. It would have been more expensive. It would have been a bigger pay cut. Um, do it now because there's no, um,
Meghan Houle (53:59.355)
Yeah. I love it. No. Yeah.
Meghan Houle (54:14.565)
Yeah.
Maggie (54:17.885)
The longer you wait, the harder it is actually probably going to be to do it.
Meghan Houle (54:22.035)
I guess, yeah. Yeah, truly. And I always say, I mean, there's never a good time to leave a job, to change the pivot. So just do it, just start. And those that are gonna judge you or be like, you're so crazy. Sometimes maybe you're the first in your family to make a big pivot and you're not crazy, you're just first. So do it, set the tone, build a circle around you. And I'm sure there's great community that you guys build in Triple 10 and to have the support and then the support of like.
Maggie (54:25.872)
It's never.
I'm sorry.
Maggie (54:38.12)
I love that.
Meghan Houle (54:49.039)
like almost a guaranteed job after the fact like, hello, it's amazing and like internship programs and like programs to like really build on throughout the time in the program, the bootcamp that's also amazing. So wow, so many things shared. I feel like I need to sign up for Triple 10. But like, okay, I'm sold. No, but I will be working with some of your team members. I have a feeling. But so before I let you go, like what do you love most about Triple 10? Like.
Maggie (55:08.372)
You too.
Meghan Houle (55:16.899)
What just warms your soul every day you get up? Yeah.
Maggie (55:18.009)
Uh huh.
Maggie (55:21.7)
I absolutely love that every single person who works at our organization is on board with our mission. So I worked in nonprofit for, I think it was eight years. And when I left nonprofit, the two places I've worked, one was Hazel Health and one is now Triple 10. The CEOs hate it when I say this, but it still feels like a nonprofit to me. They're like, no, we're not a nonprofit. But it still feels like culturally.
Meghan Houle (55:30.267)
Bye.
Meghan Houle (55:48.838)
Yeah.
Maggie (55:51.62)
um every single person it i'll just say this if our executive team ever was going to make a change that was not ideal for students we would have a riot internally at our company because actually every single person is so dedicated to like what is best for our students that's what motivates them that's what they make their strategic plan for the year based on is you know we have 20 projects we could do which three
are going to impact our students the most. And that's what we're gonna focus on. That's where we're gonna put our resources, our effort and our passion. So that's what I love most about Triple 10. I wouldn't work anywhere that wasn't like that. I never planned to. So I'm really grateful that we have that type of culture and I just wanna keep it going and keep growing our team.
Meghan Houle (56:40.203)
Yeah, and you well. Well, that's amazing. I feel like offline too, I probably should refer people to you for hire as well. So yay, so, okay, good. All right.
Maggie (56:46.132)
Yeah, we're always hiring. You should look at our check out our careers page. We are always hiring. We're growing right now because we do have people sort of like flocking in this direction as they need to change their careers. So absolutely we're growing the team. So come check out our careers page.
Meghan Houle (56:53.188)
Yeah.
Meghan Houle (56:58.603)
Oh, yeah. Well, then so many links kind of leading into our final closing. So we'll link careers page link all the ways to engage, learn more. What is the best way for something to engage? I know you guys have website social but yeah, shout out kind of the best ways to learn about triple 10 and how to get started. Yeah.
Maggie (57:23.816)
Oh my gosh, yes. Follow us on Instagram today. We have Olivia, she's on my team, she runs our Instagram. She loves it when new people follow her. She's engaging with them all the time, has great content. And that's a great way to just like start hearing people's stories who made these switch, this type of career switch that you're looking for and just start like inundating in that. Just follow us on Instagram. That's also a great way to hear about, if you're not on Instagram, we're also on LinkedIn, a lot of similar content.
It's a great way to hear about if we're having like a discount on a certain month. It doesn't, um, we're, we're to always run a discount, but we do have them at times tied to like specific events. Um, so follow us there to keep an eye on that. And then, um, when you go to our website, just click book a call. You don't have to be ready to do, you know, you don't have to feel like I'm ready to book a call. You can just, I want to start the conversation I would say is what that is.
It's on the upper right on our website, triple10.com. And yeah, just get a conversation started with us on social media, but then get an actual conversation started with a real human as well, as soon as you're ready to do that.
Meghan Houle (58:32.767)
Yeah. Yeah, and no pressure. And I have to say, I mean, all of you since coming into my world have been so lovely from the social media team to your PR team to you, Maggie. So for somebody who has talked to hundreds of 1000s of people in my two decade career of being in a people piece place, I can definitely feed off of energies very quickly. And I just
Maggie (58:53.544)
No.
Meghan Houle (59:02.687)
and your pure passion all of you guys have for like what you're doing, what you're building, what you're supporting. I love that your people are all about the people and all about the people on your bootcamp and their success and everything. So I can't tell you how honored I am to have Triple 10 a part of the podcast this season. And no doubt, I feel like we're gonna get some great connections going.
new jobs, forge new people, introduce your team. It's a win-win all around Maggie, right? So thank you so much for being here. Yes.
Maggie (59:32.632)
Oh, same, Megan. Same. I love your energy. I love your podcast. I love what you're trying to do. I've made so again, like when I talk to young people like in college or just starting their careers, I'm always talking to them about like pivoting and what they're the pivots I took that what we can learn from that and you know, what is their next pivot going to be? So I absolutely love what you're doing encouraging people on that because it does just like feel crazy like you're saying. So in listening to your podcast, I've loved how encouraging you are how
positive and upbeat you are. So thank you. I agree. It's so great to meet you. It does. It does.
Meghan Houle (01:00:05.979)
It's a good partnership. Absolutely. The universe brings good people together. I believe that. So stay tuned everyone and thanks Maggie. Thank you Triple 10 team. Everyone go check out the show notes. Just book that call. Just have that conversation. Just start. So stay tuned for more amazing episodes. I know. And thanks Maggie. I'm sure we'll be connecting again soon. Thank you.
Maggie (01:00:21.404)
Take the first step.
Maggie (01:00:27.498)
Thanks, Megan.