Pivot With Purpose Season 5 Episode 14 Chika Uwazie Full Transcript

Meghan Houle (00:01.454) Chica, welcome to the Pivot With Purpose podcast. How are you today, my friend? Chika (00:07.566) I'm lovely. Thank you so much, Megan, for inviting me. It's been a while. I'm excited to connect. Meghan Houle (00:15.15) Well, you've been doing some amazing things. So what do they say? Like, good things come to those who wait. No, no, no. Listen, it's all defined timing, girl. You know we're all about that. But no, I cannot wait to dive into all of the amazing events, platforms, communities, all the things that you've been building. I mean, even since we've been in each other's world, gosh, over the past like six, eight months. Chika (00:17.462) Yeah. Chika (00:21.39) Yes, I've been waiting. Yeah. Yeah. Chika (00:34.862) Yes. Yes. Chika (00:42.51) Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Meghan Houle (00:44.75) things are moving leaps and bounds. So congratulations, how are you feeling about everything? What are you so excited about right now? Chika (00:52.654) I think that I'm most excited just for building community of women because as we'll talk about later in this podcast, I'm all about feminine energy. And number one, it's surrounding yourself with women. So I feel that because of the work I'm doing, I've had the opportunity to be in community with you through Blueprint, which I'm so grateful for because it was so needed at that time. But now I'm... working with other women every day. I'm connecting with them and I feel like I'm finally in my purpose. You know, that's that's probably the thing that's really hard for a lot of people to find, but I definitely feel I'm flowing in it now. Meghan Houle (01:30.35) Yeah. Yes. Well, gosh, and thank you for the plug because the heart of this podcast is Pivot with Purpose and really talking about those life moves, career moves, energy moves, mind shifts, moves, whatever. I always say change your direction, change your life. The quality of our life is the quality of our thoughts. And I think there are so many definitions of Pivot. Chika (01:38.254) Yes. Meghan Houle (01:55.342) these days. Like this started off as a career podcast, but now I feel like it's sort of this lifestyle podcast where it's like everyone's always pivoting at some levels. But oh my gosh, tell us about early on Chica. Like what you are doing today. Is that kind of like always been in the back of your mind of what you set out doing early on or like where did that big pivot come in for you starting off early in your career? Yeah. Yeah. Chika (01:55.616) Yeah. Chika (02:00.33) Yes. Chika (02:06.636) Mmm. Yeah. Chika (02:18.926) I've, I've, so there's this image, right, that goes around, around like your career and building businesses, right? And pretty much it's like people think careers is straightforward and it's actually like a squiggly line, right? That is literally how my life has been. I have, I am the master of pivoting, knowing when the right opportunity is there for me, knowing when I've fulfilled my duties there and pivoting to the next thing, right? Meghan Houle (02:23.788) Uh huh. Chika (02:48.238) I do feel like this stage of my life, I'll be here for quite a long time. But if we actually go back, it started with probably finishing college. And I thought I was going to be in foreign policy work, oddly enough. So I'm far away, very far away from what I'm doing now. But I was working at the Whitaker Group in DC. I was talking to governors and... on different politicians. And really, I just thought my work would be centered around Africa, because I am Nigerian. And oddly enough, in that job, I actually got into my second part of my life, which was technical recruiting. So Megan, I definitely identify. I know your world very intimately, very intimately. It's not. It's not. It's not. It's not. I've... Meghan Houle (03:31.416) You know my world girl. It is not easy easy people can we get like an okay from you to on that because I say that recruiting is not for the faint of heart but I don't think people believe me truly. Yeah. Chika (03:46.784) recruited all types of people, but primarily I've been in technical recruiting. So oddly enough, I always kind of went back and forth between working at a big tech company like Pinterest and then actually entrepreneurship, right? So for several years I was entrepreneur, funny enough, running an HR software company in Nigeria. I raised capital, I worked with partners. I did the whole thing, you know, and I did it at a time where a lot of women were not raising capital. It was extremely hard in Silicon Valley as a black woman trying to raise money. It was difficult. I will say that. I'm trying to convince them and share my story and things of that nature. And then I exited from that business and I went back into technical recruiting. And so I still enjoy it. Funny enough, I still feel like at some points I want to get back into it at a much later stage of my life. But I feel like... How I got here to this particular point was during 2020, during COVID. So we're all locked in. I think a lot of people were using that time to reflect on their lives and ask themselves, am I doing what I really want to do? And I was a technical recruiter at a tech company and Clubhouse became the thing where everybody was on Clubhouse. Yeah. And essentially I started a room. Meghan Houle (05:01.966) Oh yeah? Uh huh. Chika (05:07.79) called feminine energy, divine feminine energy, because this was just something I was learning on the side. I was burnt out, as you can imagine, Megan, you're constantly running, hustling, grinding, doing multiple things. I was doing that too, and I was tired. And COVID made me realize I need to rest. And so I started learning about feminine energy and how I can have more balance in my life as a woman. And I started sharing my lessons on Clubhouse, and it went from like five people to 120 ,000 people. Meghan Houle (05:37.454) like, wow. I feel like it was all what we needed to hear, right? Chika (05:38.17) Yeah, so I started growing. Yes, yeah, yeah, slowing down, you know, slowing down, just taking time for yourself, appreciating, you know, just what life gives, right? And that's really how I started this journey I'm on now, which is I started coaching women. Obviously a lot of women, when we talk about feminine energy, they think about dating because they're like, look, I'm tired. I don't want to be in my masculine. Meghan Houle (05:46.094) Yeah. Chika (06:05.632) what essentially means deciding and being logical and being analytical and using that right side of your brain. And a lot of women were like, you know, I want ease, I want softness, I want to embrace that other side of me. So I started coaching women around that in 2020. It's now blossomed into the softness and so many other programs that I do among that as well. Meghan Houle (06:25.134) Yeah, because it's so needed. So what an opportunity to find the space and time. It's like divine timing in that too, where yes, no one wants to go back into the pandemic, but I think it gave us this opportunity to really sit with us and to align with our purposes and what is important and what we want to be doing and what we don't want to be doing, which, you know, coming from the recruiting side, that's all I talk to you all day and day out about. So. Chika (06:28.512) Yeah. Yeah. Chika (06:37.356) Mm -hmm. Chika (06:46.188) Yeah. Yeah. Meghan Houle (06:52.046) I love that. And where was that big pivot for you? So when you started to really create this community, did you completely step away from recruiting and then kind of went all in? How did that pivot come together for you? Yeah. Chika (06:58.318) Mm -hmm. Chika (07:03.296) It was actually a two step process. So I actually started this with a business partner, my friend. And just unfortunately, we at the time when we were talking about Feminine Energy, a lot of women, it was interesting. There was women who really understood what we were saying. And then there was women who I would err on the side of they felt some type of way about our message. It didn't resonate with them. And there was a lot of criticism. in a lot of drama. And because my friend and myself, I was still technical recruiting and she was in the VC space, we were like, you know what, let's just shut this business down. This doesn't make sense at this time. And she wanted, I was ready to go fully in and she wasn't. Fast forward to interestingly enough last year, actually just traveling the world with my husband for, we went to 17 countries last year and he started noticing that women would randomly approach me. And they would say, oh, I used to listen to your podcast or we were in Montenegro. Most people don't even know what that country is. And a woman from Greece, she said, your clubhouse is the reason why I'm engaged today. Like she randomly approached me and said it. And my husband was like, Shika, you need to go back to this thing. Like there's something here. There's a magic here. I don't know what it is in what form, but you need to go back. So last year in June, I made the decision. to fully go on in building the softness. So that is what I'm doing all day and every day, and it's been a lovely adventure. Meghan Houle (08:36.59) Yeah, well, and I have to say to those women approaching you, because fortunately, I was able to find you through the blueprint. But unfortunately, I did not know about that clubhouse or I would have been completely adapted. I was too busy, as you can imagine the pandemic people coming to me like stressing about jobs, scarcity, not enough. So it's like I was kind of handling that population at the time, but I needed some Acheeka coaching. But in real life, like, Chika (08:43.19) Yes. Chika (08:47.278) you Chika (08:54.51) Yes. Yep. Chika (08:59.534) Heheheheh Meghan Houle (09:02.094) You are just the most amazing, gorgeous soul, like inside out human radiating all things and beautiful fashion and whatnot. So I'm like, I would approach you on the streets. So I was like, how can you help me, ma 'am? Like, I need you. So fast forward to today and all the things that you have going on. Chika (09:05.324) Bye. Thank you. Yes. I'm You Chika (09:22.83) Yes. Meghan Houle (09:25.038) I just, I feel like I need to pay you for a live session in this podcast also because you're going to teach me a few things today too on top of our listeners, but talk to us about being a feminine energy coach. Like when you're working one -on -one and we can kind of go into the tiers, like now with this big pivot, what is the biggest thing people are coming to you maybe consistently about, or is like, you know, I feel like it's women we're all struggling with something and I know you're very big on the relationship piece and attracting your ideal partner, but like, Chika (09:28.556) Mm. Yeah. Chika (09:35.18) Mmm. Yep. Chika (09:45.612) Mmm. Chika (09:49.198) Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Meghan Houle (09:54.914) What is that coaching mean for somebody who may not understand the feminine energy side? Yeah. Chika (09:57.1) Mmm. Yeah, yeah. So I always get women in two categories. So there are women who are literally like, just like you, I'm a boss, I run my own thing, you know, I'm good at business, I'm doing it day in and out, but I'm too much in my masculine. I am tired, I feel drained, I don't feel like I have balance. And I just feel, I feel hard. Like I don't, I don't feel like kind of like they feel disconnected as a woman, right? And I think for me, part of my coaching is allowing women to understand your softness is your power, right? Because femininity is about relationship. It's about having empathy. It's about collaboration, you know, cause we talked about blueprint. I mean, blueprint, the magic of it has been the collaboration among women, right? And so it's part of my job with. Meghan Houle (10:31.63) Yeah. Meghan Houle (10:49.902) Yeah. Yeah. Chika (10:53.902) women in that category is just to teach them there's a power in it and to reconnect them to their intuition, right? Because your intuition guides you. Yes, as boss women, we make decisions off of numbers and logic and analyzing, but sometimes it's as simple as a gut decision. A lot of these pivots, I'm sure you're talking to women about, and men is that they're talking about there was intuition, there was a gut feeling that this was the right path, right? There was no logic behind that. So a lot of times that's what I'm coaching. Meghan Houle (11:23.566) Yeah. Yeah. Chika (11:23.598) The other side is relationships, right? So a lot of the women I coach are actually women who recently got out of divorce, right? I just was coaching a woman today about that, right? So a lot of women, they just got out of divorce and they were like, clearly it was not working. And I'm dating again and the world has changed and it's a bit difficult. How do I get tap into that feminine side of me? So I attract a man who cherishes me. Meghan Houle (11:31.564) Mm -hmm. Chika (11:52.846) who adores me, who respects me, and I feel at ease. I think women don't wanna feel like they have a son. They wanna feel like they have an equal partner. So that's also what I coach a lot of women on. Meghan Houle (12:02.37) Yeah. Meghan Houle (12:07.182) Yeah. Where do you feel like the biggest blocks come in when you say on the feminine side, like what hardens us Chica? Like where do you actually start though? But like I feel that's resonating with me. I feel like I'm like a piece of stone right now. You're like girl, you tired? Yep. Girl, do you have balance? No. Like, help me. But like, I feel like there's so many factors, but what do you feel like makes us, you know, feel a certain way? Chika (12:10.99) Hmm. Chika (12:22.83) Yeah, yeah, yes Chika (12:31.19) Hmm. Chika (12:35.414) Hmm. Meghan Houle (12:35.502) And then like, I'm sure there's all these like other outside factors that contributed to these limiting beliefs of like, well, I can't feel this way and I can't be in my soft air. Like, what do you feel contributes to that? Just overarching. Yeah. Yeah. Chika (12:44.174) Yeah. Um, so I'll say overarching and then there is tends to be a theme among most women, um, at a deeper level. So overarching is we live in a world that is run by masculine energy, not men. It's masculine energy. So for quite some time, um, if we remove how men have contributed to our environment, um, the girl boss movement is it was a movement, right? It was hustle and grind and you know, you sleep when you die, you know, like that has been the thing, right? Meghan Houle (12:52.046) Yeah. Meghan Houle (12:57.742) Mm -hmm. Meghan Houle (13:16.302) said that a few times, so yes. Chika (13:17.598) Exactly, exactly right and it's you know, sherel who is like was the beacon lean in you know, like all these things and and I think what we not we didn't understand as women is that detrimental to our health So quick lesson here women cycles is 30 days Men cycles are 24 hours. So what that means is that men get up and go to sleep and their cycle has has finished right? So they that's why they have energy and they can they're like Meghan Houle (13:23.214) Yeah. Yeah. Meghan Houle (13:32.686) Yeah. Mmm. Chika (13:47.446) you know, horses, they literally have the power to move through things. And that's why they can take on a lot on certain elements because their cycles are 24 hours. Ours is 30 days. What that means is that there are periods of the month that you need to literally slow down because your energy is gonna be low, you know, or, you know, you go through your administration, that's, you know, that's a period of time of creativity, right? Meghan Houle (13:58.542) Yeah. Meghan Houle (14:06.604) Hmm. Meghan Houle (14:11.086) Yeah. Chika (14:11.65) And so you can imagine you're trying to keep up with someone a different human as a different cycle than you Exactly, right? So that's I think there's that element then the deeper layer is a lot of all of us I don't I'm not even saying just women. I think all of us have childhood I don't want to say wounds because sometimes it's not a it's not like a deep wound, but it's some type of like Meghan Houle (14:17.934) And now that makes so much sense. Geez. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Chika (14:38.094) trauma that hasn't really been dealt with. And it could be as simple as like you had a mom that just, you know, wasn't home like that because she was busy working, you know, and now you're trying to get attention and you don't know why, you know, maybe you had parents who divorced, maybe, you know, something happened in your childhood, maybe you're bullied. You know, there's so many different reasons, but so many times when I talk to women, they come to me and say like, oh, I need this dating advice. And then when I start digging into it, I realized, oh, there's a childhood, um, Meghan Houle (14:58.286) Yeah. Chika (15:06.126) thing you need to heal. And so we do a lot of inner child work writing to your inner girl, talking to her, reconnecting with her and letting her know you're okay. You're a big girl now and we're moving forward, right? Meghan Houle (15:13.966) Yeah, yeah, yeah. Wow. So with both of the programs you have, do you have a moment where there's this foundational piece that everyone has to go through first and then you sort of decide kind of which journey someone's taking on? I mean, I'm sure like the relationships are very specific, but I don't know, as a coach from the career side of things, like there's definitely a practice where a couple of sessions are like getting just through. Chika (15:20.716) Mm. Chika (15:25.142) Mm -hmm. Meghan Houle (15:41.902) foundational, like deep work, maybe like you were just saying, and then you can kind of roll into like the deeper topics. How do you typically work with people one -on -one? What's the framework like? Yeah. Chika (15:51.534) Yeah. So for example, I had a new client today. And so first, I just try to understand their history, right? Where are they coming from? What does their work -life balance look like? And I try to listen to nuances of what is actually the gap. Because again, a lot of women come to me and they say, oh, I'm dating and I'm frustrated and I'm tired. And then what I realize is like, no, there's an actual deeper foundational issue, right? You don't take time to rest. You don't... Meghan Houle (15:57.934) Yeah. Chika (16:21.198) meditate, you don't affirm yourself, there's maybe self -confidence issues. And to be honest, the underlying foundation for most women is self -love, right? I always tell women that in order to take all the benefits of life, you have to love yourself. It has to be at a higher level. So most of the time I'm working with women on self -love, on confidence, and finding what balance looks like for them. And I always tell women, it's not like this huge transformation you have to go through. Sometimes it's just like, Okay, today I'm gonna take five minutes and just be still. I'm gonna take an hour and go outside and walk. I'm gonna take two minutes and do a quick meditation. Like it's little things throughout the day and teaching women how to insert that into busy lives, because most of us are busy. Meghan Houle (16:52.558) Yeah. Meghan Houle (17:04.366) Yeah. What do you feel like are the environmental things that really get in our way as well? Because I feel like maybe this resonates with you of working with some of your women, but you can do all this great work, but then we're going home or we're in friends groups or Aunt Sally is like telling us about what our life should look like again. Just like Aunt Sally. We call her Aunt Sally. We talk about Aunt Sally a lot. Aunt Sally loves to tell us what to do. Okay. But. Chika (17:08.142) Hmm. Hmm. Chika (17:22.284) Mmm. Chika (17:26.222) I'm going to go. Yeah. Yes, I have an aunt Sally too. Exactly. Meghan Houle (17:33.966) Right? And like Thanksgiving 27 years ago, you know, Anne Sally was like, you should be a nurse. And then that's like still sitting with you. But you do all this work. Like how do we become more resilient, Chica? And then like really start to embrace this like new energy. Because I feel like you do all this work. And then sometimes, you know, it's not it's easy to kind of slip back into these old habits, right? Yeah. Chika (17:40.086) Yes. Chika (17:45.1) Mmm. Chika (17:49.55) Yeah. Chika (17:56.046) Yeah. Yeah. So with a lot of my clients, I do an energy check and I say, you know, use this week, right? For example, just like you and ask yourself, okay, Megan, you're, you know, all the people you're hanging with, did they fill you up with energy or did they detract? Right? Like literally, like when you interact with different people, ask yourself after you leave, Meghan Houle (18:02.414) Okay. Meghan Houle (18:07.758) Mm -hmm. Chika (18:23.438) Do I feel drained or do I feel fulfilled? And then ask yourself, if you go through that energy check throughout the week or maybe two weeks and you're realizing, there's like three people. And I just realized every time I'm with them, they drain my energy. I feel tired, I feel depleted. Limit your interactions with them. Try to find ways to not constantly interact. Sometimes you may have to interact with these people, but don't make it like a constant thing. So I always tell people do energy checks because for me, I protect my energy, right? Meghan Houle (18:48.814) Alright. Chika (18:52.782) Yes, I cannot block myself from everybody, but most of the time I put myself in front of people that fill me up. You know that when I'm with them, I feel lied, I feel like they pour into me, I pour into them, it's an equal exchange. And I think, you know, the second thing is to also have an attitude of you can't allow people's issues or challenges impact me. So like a lot of times I'm also working with people. Meghan Houle (18:55.566) Right. Meghan Houle (19:00.78) Mmm. Meghan Houle (19:06.478) Yeah. Chika (19:20.302) who are like, well, I care about what this person thinks. I care about what this person thinks. I'm like, you can't do that. Not everyone's gonna like you. Not everyone has their best interest for you, right? And that's okay. But if you have a high level of self -love, then those elements will bounce off. So if you have an aunt Sally that comes to you and tell you what I told you to be a nurse, I'm like, well, I'm very happy with being a career coach. You know? It's fun. Meghan Houle (19:26.158) Right. Yeah. Yeah. Meghan Houle (19:33.87) Oh. Meghan Houle (19:41.646) Right. Yeah. Thanks, Nan, Sally. Love you. Love you, girl. Well, let's pivot because I feel like so much of what you do also can resonate within a career community because you pivoted with purpose. And what has been coming in, coming in hot on the hotline to start off the year, Chica, there's a lot of people in very toxic work environments that don't know how to navigate that out and or have those difficult conversations. Chika (19:53.1) Mm -hmm. Yeah. Chika (20:03.502) Mm -hmm. Mmm. Meghan Houle (20:09.582) or it is a company that has just a ton of masculine energy and all things moving through everybody. And I feel like we have a moment too where there's a lot of job competition out there and people maybe are kind of falling a little bit back in scarcity of like, well, this is the best it's going to be right now, but are also like doing such a detriment. Like I cannot tell you how many people I'll consistently talk to that are in bad situations. Chika (20:24.398) Yeah. Chika (20:29.516) Yeah. Yeah. Meghan Houle (20:39.47) for giving them coaching for free 99. And I'm like, this is the last time I'm gonna tell you this, because I can tell you all the ways, but you have to get there yourself. So how do you help or maybe what is some advice you can give someone listening in, like navigating toxic work environments or someone feeling like they're not being able to show up authentically themselves or to be soft because that environment is so hard. Like help us, please make that, yeah. Yeah. Chika (20:42.092) Mmm. Chika (20:48.686) Yeah. Chika (21:03.34) Yeah. Yeah, I think there's a couple of things I would consider. Because funny enough, when I speak to women, some women, this is their reason why they are hard. I think number one, ask yourself, OK, in general, am I happy being here? Am I being happy? Because I feel like a lot of people, and I'm sure you get this too, is they're at a job because it gives them a paycheck. They're not happy. Meghan Houle (21:09.742) Yeah. Meghan Houle (21:15.63) Yeah. Meghan Houle (21:31.47) Right. Yeah. Yeah. Chika (21:33.55) They know this is not their purpose. They know they don't want to be here. And it's simply asking yourself, what is holding me back from getting what I want? What is it? And maybe there's something you have to deal with. Maybe it's imposter syndrome. I don't know what it is. But how do I get through a point where I'm asking myself, am I in the right job for me? And how can I get what I want and work with people like you to position themselves into their dream job, their dream situation? I think the other thing as well as assessing the environment, you know, do I have the voice to make a change? You know, if you are maybe your VP or director, maybe you can, you know, start by having these conversations. How do we create balance for employees, right? And say, I don't have balance. So I can only imagine what other employees have. And if you have that authority, start to have those conversations. I do think there are companies that are open to have those conversations, but also, Meghan Houle (22:26.382) Huh? Chika (22:28.014) you know, overall, if you know, like, I can't impact this company, this company doesn't want to change, they are masculine, then leave. Like, maybe it's not that simple, but I don't, I don't stay where I don't feel, I don't feel my full self. And I feel like if I can't be authentic and show up as my authentic self, then maybe I'm in the wrong company. Meghan Houle (22:35.522) 100%. Yeah. Yeah. Meghan Houle (22:46.83) Right. Now, amen to that. Well, and on the flip side of it, what do you feel like, because you've made some amazing pivots, like what have you learned about yourself the most from truly like pivoting to your purpose? What has just really come up for you? Yeah. Chika (22:53.55) Yeah. Hmm. Hmm. My intuition. My intuition has literally been the guiding my North Star every single time I've left. It's not always made logical sense. So for example, when I was running my own tech company, basically there was like random. Meghan Houle (23:03.5) Hmm. Chika (23:19.692) elements that weren't working. The co -founder or my partner at the time of the company was extremely toxic. He lied about a lot of elements and I always tell people with co -founders, you have to have trust. Once the trust is broken, it's kind of hard to rebuild. And so there was that element. I just recruited a CFO to come join us and because of him and looking at what was going on, he said he wanted to leave. Meghan Houle (23:35.182) That's it, right? Yeah. Meghan Houle (23:47.788) Mmm. Chika (23:47.992) And then probably the last straw was, you know, I was at the time I was raising $2 million and half a million basically did not come in because of my co -founder. Like some weird, it's a long story, but he did something behind my back and that check was not being cut, essentially. And how I made the decision to pivot was I was, you know, I love YouTube because super educational and I was watching, Meghan Houle (24:02.35) Yeah. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Meghan Houle (24:11.726) Mm -hmm. Chika (24:17.102) a motivation coach and he was basically saying, you know, sometimes the seeds are not planted in the place that you're trying to water, right? So you're trying to have this thing grow and you want it to bloom, you want it to be a flower, but the seeds were not there to nurture it. So why do you keep watering that place, right? And literally at that moment, I said, oh, I'm in the wrong place. I'm trying to water this company. I'm trying to grow this company. The seeds are not there for me. There's no foundation. So what am I doing? Meghan Houle (24:30.702) Yeah. Meghan Houle (24:45.262) Wow, yeah. Chika (24:46.158) So at that night, I wrote a resignation letter to the board and I was out. And I was one of the best decisions I made for myself. Meghan Houle (24:50.67) Yep. Oh, and that is such amazing advice, combining with what you just said before of like identify that sort of toxic C if you can change it. But like, holy cow, yes. And I think we are all a little guilty of watering things. Chika (24:57.676) Yeah. Chika (25:01.42) Yeah. Chika (25:09.262) Yes, yes. Yeah. Meghan Houle (25:10.126) relationships, all of it. They're not for us, but we keep giving them life. And it's like, no, that is just like, it's never gonna be there. It's never gonna grow. Because then on the flip side, what are you not watering and giving into that could be this amazing wildflower field full of abundance and opportunity. But you're like, let me focus on this dead plant. Let me just focus on this guy. Chika (25:24.01) Mmhmm. Exactly. Chika (25:32.738) Exactly. Meghan Houle (25:34.67) So, oh my gosh, that's such good advice. So tell me in your now wildflower of abundance, like gorge energy, how are you working with people one -on -one? Like, let's talk about all the tiers, because I know you have your coaching, but then there's your course and community. And then I know you've been doing events, and there's just like so much chica going on, like 2024, watch out. And I hope some of us can all meet you in person. We need to bring you to Boston, OK? Like, non -negotiable. Chika (25:36.886) Yeah. Chika (25:40.534) Yes. Chika (25:48.214) Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yeah. Chika (26:02.606) Bye bye! Meghan Houle (26:04.142) I feel like you need a carbonite coach, all of us like stone cold, so maybe all of us that like need some softness. But tell us like all the tiers and how you're working with everybody right now, yeah. Chika (26:06.894) Yes Chika (26:13.166) Hmm. Yes. So what I'm pouring a lot into is my feminine flow membership. I just closed the doors. It's going to open up again in a month. But essentially it is a ongoing membership to get all the resources you need, right? So it has a mini course in there. I do monthly life coaching. We have a WhatsApp group community and a Slack community. Meghan Houle (26:21.972) Uh huh. Chika (26:39.214) just because I'm aware that it's quite global. Like when the women start introducing themselves, they're like, oh, I'm from Sweden, I'm from Malawi, I'm from India. I was like, oh, wow, okay. We have a very global community. But I created it because I feel like on top of the resources, women need to see they're not alone in this journey. I think a lot of women are like, oh, I'm the only one that's masculine, I'm the only one struggling with this. And I need other women to see themselves in others, right? So that's why I created Feminine Flow Membership. Meghan Houle (26:56.75) Right, yeah. Chika (27:08.654) And again, it's a monthly membership and then some women paid for the year and they're just there for the year. Then I have coaching and those are women who like, I need the strategy. I am cold, I'm masculine, I need a strategy. So I work with women for six weeks. Funny enough, I've had some blueprint members actually go through it as well and do one -on -one coaching with me. Meghan Houle (27:08.686) Yeah. Meghan Houle (27:18.414) Mm -hmm. Right. Meghan Houle (27:22.926) Yeah. Meghan Houle (27:32.014) I mean, I'm about to sign up right now. So if you get an email from me after this, yeah, you probably did. Yes. Yeah. Chika (27:36.71) Yes. Exactly. Yeah. So I do and I do and it's been lovely just seeing the blossoming and always I always know it works when after the coaching the girl just disappears because like she's just living her juicy life. But I have to check in like, are you okay? Like, oh girl, I'm good. You know, I'm flowing now. And then I do events. So I'm actually about to do my next event in Atlanta. Meghan Houle (27:53.102) Yeah, right. Yeah. Meghan Houle (28:00.94) Uh -huh. Chika (28:05.55) So that date will come out very soon. I'm just trying to decide between March and April. So we're trying to just lock down that specific date. But I do intimate events, intimate like 30 to 40 people, just pouring into them, being around community of women and also partnering with brands, because I want women to feel self -love, get self -care. I just leave feeling good. I just think, I'm sure you've been reading those third spaces. Meghan Houle (28:07.758) Mm -hmm. Meghan Houle (28:15.598) Mm -hmm. Chika (28:34.798) community spaces where people used to commute, they're actually disappearing for whatever reason. And so I'm like, you know what, I need to create spaces for women to connect and meet. That's why I enjoyed the blueprint in Napa, you know, just like a bunch of women talking, you know, and just getting to know each other and being community with each other. So that's the reason why I do events. Meghan Houle (28:39.886) Yeah. Yeah. Meghan Houle (28:55.438) Yeah, and I so agree with you. I did a big event in Boston in September of just trying to bring people together because I also feel like as women too, sometimes we don't know. We don't know that these things exist or then there comes in this imposter unworthiness of like, well, I'm probably not good enough to like show up at an event like this or I have nothing to talk about. I'm like, there's so much community in someone like you bringing community together. Chika (29:00.608) Yes. Chika (29:05.644) Mm -hmm. Yeah. Chika (29:14.67) Yeah. Meghan Houle (29:22.306) where then you get to come and dress up and look amazing and like get out of the house and have conversations with like minded women that are about like real topics. Like I don't know about you, but I like cannot stand small talk Chica. Like please. I mean like at some point, yes, like you gotta be like, hey girl, what's up? What's going on in your life? Like how do you do this? But like then let's get into it. Like what is lighting on fire in your soul right now? Like what is driving you crazy? Like. Chika (29:24.876) Yeah. Chika (29:31.426) Mmm. Mm -hmm. Chika (29:39.948) Yeah. Chika (29:43.822) Yes. Yeah. Yep. Yes. Meghan Houle (29:49.198) How's your business going? You know, like the highs and lows. And I just feel like, I don't know, maybe it is. And you can tell me, but there's almost like a shame in an unworthiness wrapped in like an Oreo cookie of like this whole situation that we can sit and tell ourselves forever. Like, oh, I can't go to that event because I got nothing to talk about, whatever. Just show up. Like go alone. Scare the crap out of yourself. Chika (29:59.148) Hmmmm Chika (30:06.67) Mm -hmm. Chika (30:11.79) Yeah. Chika (30:15.51) I know. Meghan Houle (30:15.95) And I know you do this on instant and I'd love to get into the relationship of things but like go up and like dress up like go to dinner by yourself like you're so good at doing these things like just imagine like and I know it's this time in COVID of where we were like not getting dressed I feel like it was definitely a thing of like what sweatpants are we wearing today? But that's not the case although I am wearing sweatpants today, spoiler alert. Chika (30:20.11) Yes. Chika (30:34.734) Heheheheh Chika (30:39.274) I'm Meghan Houle (30:40.11) No, I'm just kidding, but not really. But I feel like it's then this kind of energy that you're putting in yourself when you go out, you look beautiful. And then again, that energy that you get in of attracting other energy, which I feel like definitely rolls into that relationship piece of it. But I'm loving the event space. I feel like we need that in person. But I also feel like the curation of not being this big, massive group, where I think some people get really nervous, but a small group of women. Chika (30:52.526) Mm -hmm. Chika (31:03.116) Yes. Meghan Houle (31:09.198) And just like, you never know where conversations can lead. You know, you meet some of your best friends and all of that. So I love that. I can't wait for it to see you on tour, tour across the US. Cause I know, you were doing some things overseas, like right after the holidays beginning. So what were some of those events that you were leading? Yeah, they looked amazing. Yeah. Chika (31:12.248) Yeah. Yeah. Chika (31:18.486) Yeah! Chika (31:22.414) Yes, yes. Yeah, so, yeah, thank you. So I did actually a couple in Africa. So again, I said I'm Nigerian. I was not born in Nigeria. So I'm Nigerian American. But I do spend half of my time in Nigeria and half my time in the US. And yeah, I did. So funny enough, I knew I was going to start doing dinners. And then it was actually a follow on Instagram. Meghan Houle (31:49.004) Mmm. Chika (31:49.006) that said, I know you're doing something in Accra. Why can't you do something in Lagos? Like you're from Nigeria. And I was like, ah, I love my people, but we're a little complicated. And, but she pushed me. And so I did a softness dinner there. It was 30 women, intimate. My aunt has this beautiful garden. So we did it in her garden. And it was just a day of fellowship and just eating and, and the women felt safe and vulnerable. You know, like I remember a woman was sharing her story about this guy. She was recently, Meghan Houle (32:04.142) So, yeah. Meghan Houle (32:14.926) Yes. Chika (32:18.286) seeing and how it was just like crazy. And then another woman came up to me and hugged me and cried, you know, like, and I felt so, I just felt like women felt like, oh, I can just be myself. Like I don't have to put together a specific look or feeling, you know? So, and I want to do more of those things. You're right. We need more intimate spaces. Meghan Houle (32:20.398) Yeah. Meghan Houle (32:33.358) Yeah. Yeah. And then on the flip side of it, people coming to you, once they've softened up the relationship piece, oh my gosh, what are we all struggling with? Like what is the number one thing that is just a recurring theme that you're coaching on in that space? Chika (32:44.332) Mm. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I feel like a lot of women think, oh, it's just for dating, even as I'm a married woman, you know? And so it's not easy, you know, especially because I run part of my business, I run with my husband. So like, it's not easy, you know? And I tell women, you have to have time for yourself. You have to like, the more you pour into yourself, that's when the standard of men. Meghan Houle (33:00.046) Okay. Chika (33:17.038) are just different because they see, you know, like, oh, she holds herself to this standard. I can't come with her, you know, as an ideal, we say nonsense. Like I can't come to her low balling her, you know? But I think a lot of women, we lower our standards and we lower our sense of self love. And I always tell women, we set the standard, right? Like literally men used to fight in wars because of women. That is the power women have. We have to remember that men fought wars, like a whole war. Meghan Houle (33:43.502) Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Chika (33:46.894) started because of women, right? And their love, you know, trying to get their love. So I always tell women that like, I think the dating world is a bit trash because I somewhere along the line, we lost the plot. I don't know what it is. And I think social media has not helped. I think a lot of people are curating these images of perfect relationships and a lot of relationships are not perfect. And I always tell people that go in my DMs, oh my God, you and your husband are gold. I said, no, we're not, please. Meghan Houle (34:09.966) No. Yeah. Meghan Houle (34:16.47) Mm -hmm. Chika (34:17.026) Please, please, please, we are not goals. We have our issues too. We love each other. We are happy, but we definitely have our days, right? So I also think social media has curated a false sense of what real healthy relationships look like. Meghan Houle (34:30.67) That and reality television. Chika (34:33.774) Yeah, huge, huge, huge. I don't know if you've been watching Love is Blind. Meghan Houle (34:35.182) Alright... Ugh... I just started, oh my gosh, so my husband like had not, he did watch a few seasons of The Bachelor, mostly like The Bachelor because he's like, these chicks are crazy on here. And I'm like, well, some of them maybe, but he like can't get behind it. I'm just like, is this how like people operate sometimes? I'm like, yeah, Mike, like, thankfully you don't have to date anymore. Like God bless, you know? Chika (34:46.798) Yeah. Chika (34:52.238) Hehehehehe Yeah. Chika (35:00.878) Yeah. you Meghan Houle (35:05.198) But but I started watching Love is Mine. I feel like there's moments where my husband will travel and then I get like full access to the television. I like going down like the trash watching television rabbit hole of all the shows I love that are like not allowed. But Chica, I literally started like watching I guess the new season. And that I was like having people explain it to me like that seems like a crazy concept of like, you're literally talking to somebody. Chika (35:12.814) Hehehehehe Chika (35:25.548) Mmm. Meghan Houle (35:32.91) behind like a curtain. It was like Wizard of Oz. And then I'm like, then we they go in the hallway and they decide like, Oh, I like you because of the words that are coming out of their mouth. Like, is that what it is? Can you help me? Like, can you explain it? Yeah. Yeah. Chika (35:34.926) Yeah. Chika (35:40.174) You Chika (35:44.238) Yeah, no it is. So funny enough, so Sally for me, I think the only season of Love is Blind that it made sense and I saw the manifestation of what it looks like, if it's done well, is season one with Lauren and Cameron, right? Beautiful, beautiful couple. They've been together for like, I think seven years now. And it worked, the experiment worked as it was. Like, Meghan Houle (35:55.84) Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I gotta get on there. Okay. Meghan Houle (36:09.454) Yeah. Meghan Houle (36:13.326) Yeah. Chika (36:13.326) They, you know, they're, you know, she's a black woman, he's a white man. And I loved it because it's showing, you know, it doesn't matter what race you are. It doesn't matter. They come from literally two different backgrounds, but they're in this beautiful union. But, and I think because they didn't see each other, they just got to know each other as humans. Like as humans, do we connect? You know, bottom line. After that season two, three, four, five, and some of my Nigerian brothers have gone there and caused drama. Meghan Houle (36:31.758) Right. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Chika (36:41.678) I know a guy who was actually on the show. And a lot of them didn't go for good reasons. So I do think I get it. I think because of social media again, a lot of people are getting caught up in looks and the facade and all that. And I think that show was supposed to strip it down, but it's not really, it's reality TV. Meghan Houle (36:44.302) Yeah, yeah. Meghan Houle (36:49.314) I I know. Meghan Houle (37:00.654) I know. And it's right. And then I feel like at like what point do you stop like even again with a bachelor not trying to hit a bachelor and then don't at me everyone who loves a bachelor. But I do feel like there's this like social experiment where people go on and they're like, we're not even care about this. Like we want the Instagram followers, we want the partnerships, we want to be the villain, or we want to do this. And then you almost become a character in a show. It's not necessarily like real life. So oh my gosh, what do you so Chika (37:06.956) Yeah. Hahaha! Mm -hmm. Chika (37:16.654) Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. Meghan Houle (37:28.046) being in some terrible relationships in my day, I feel like the control piece of it is something like really hard as women that we kind of get sucked into these relationships that start to look okay. And then there's this like control piece that I would say Chica is sometimes like really hard to break out of in a bad relationship where I don't know. Like I feel like me now versus me like 22 years ago, I would be slapping around. Chika (37:33.686) Mmm. Chika (37:43.47) Mm. Chika (37:47.15) Mmm. Chika (37:57.422) Mmmmm Meghan Houle (37:57.646) My 22 year old self be like, girl, and I think now that's why maybe I am hard is the fact that like anytime my husband, I literally have this mentality of like, don't tell me what to do because it was like such a bad like relationship experience where I'm like, I will never not have my own independence. I will never not make my own money. I will never let anybody dictate what I can and can't do. Hence life of an entrepreneur. Chika (38:09.526) Hehehe Hmm. Chika (38:16.972) Mmm. Mmm. Yeah. Yeah. Meghan Houle (38:26.734) But like, what are some of those other things that do you feel like are really hard for women to break through? I guess how do you help people sort of work through some of that? Because that is also like really heavy and you know, sometimes needing like a deeper, you know, sort of moment where I know people, you know, are getting into therapy and that's not what coaching is. So it's like, it's that fine line, right? But what's what do you feel like is sitting with people, especially coming after the pandemic with and being in like really crazy relationships? Yeah. Chika (38:32.94) Mmm. Chika (38:38.542) Yeah. Yeah. Chika (38:44.716) Yeah. Yeah Chika (38:54.99) Yeah, so number one, I did study psychology, but just a caveat, if I see that someone's dealing with deep depression or anxiety, I always tell them to get a therapist. And actually, in general, I tell women, like, a therapist should be part of your just day -to -day life. Even me, as a coach, I have my own therapist, right? So I think in general, people should get therapy. But the other layer is a lot of women, I believe, are overriding their intuition. Meghan Houle (39:00.438) Mm -hmm. Meghan Houle (39:08.75) Yeah. Yeah. Chika (39:25.262) Um, so perfect example, I, are you on tick tock at all? Like, do you, yeah, not really. Yeah. I recently just got more on tick tock. So what's been going viral on tick tock the past weekend is this Risa Tisa woman. Um, her story is you need to, it is a, it is literally a Netflix show on tick tock. So she is chronicling, um, 10 minutes at a time. So it's there's 50 parts. Um, Meghan Houle (39:30.102) Some, not as much as Instagram. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Meghan Houle (39:40.32) Mmm. Okay. Okay. Chika (39:55.246) Her basically how she married a pathological liar and he lied about his identity. And she's chronicling this story of how she, funny enough, how she met him in the pandemic, how she married him and how she divorced him. And she's sharing this story. It's been going viral everywhere, right? But why we bring that up is when I sat down and I listened to her story, I said, she did what a lot of women are doing today. You see a red flag. Meghan Houle (39:59.918) Oh, jeez. Oh boy. Chika (40:24.27) It is bright, it is shiny. But because you override it with logic, which is the masculine, which is like, no, there has to be a reason why he's doing that. There has to be a reason why he shared that lie. No, there has to be a reason why he's doing this to me. Instead of using your intuition, your intuition is a subtle nudge in your body that says this is not right. It's very subtle. And it's like, oh, this doesn't sit with me well. Meghan Houle (40:34.574) Yeah, like that's flags not that red. Yeah. Chika (40:51.822) And instead of us leaning into that, we go into logic, you know, and then we end up in this weird marriage that she was in, and then you come out of it, you know. So a lot of women are overriding their intuition. And because a lot of women don't want to be alone, you know, loneliness is a huge fear for a lot of women these days. I'm dealing with a lot of women with that. And they want attention, and not attention in the way of like, oh, look at me. But they just want, they want to be like, they want to say, it's finally my turn. Meghan Houle (41:08.654) I know. Yeah. Yeah. Chika (41:21.582) finally I have a man, finally I have someone, you know? So a lot of that is what a lot of women are facing these days. Meghan Houle (41:22.734) I know. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And with all of that, I mean, not only do you have all these incredible ways to work with you, but you're so generous with your information now that you put out in your new podcast, the Flow Era podcast, where I know it's very intimate. You get real. You talk about like amazing topics. So what can somebody tuning into your podcast? Chika (41:35.342) Yeah. Yes. Yes. Yes. Meghan Houle (41:49.166) learn or gain from or you know like what are what are some of the things are you you get inspired daily and just kind of get up and be like okay we're talking about this today like what's the podcast kind of underlining about yeah. Chika (41:50.102) Hmm. Chika (41:58.99) Yeah, so it's a solo podcast, although I think eventually I'll have I'll start having guests. But really what it is is me sharing the life lessons of basically how I think about it is she got age 25, right? So over 10 years ago, what did she need to hear? What does she need to know? What were the mistakes she made? Right. And literally, that's how I come up with my topics. Meghan Houle (42:26.03) Yeah. Chika (42:26.158) Um, and literally the first episode was me talking about how I was a masculine tech bro. Meghan Houle (42:32.142) No, I love that episode. And I was like, wait, also me in recruiting. I'm like the same. Mm -hmm. Meghan Houle (42:45.646) Oh no, can you hear me? Is it coming through? There I am. Okay, all right. Oh no, I know, come on, Wi -Fi. No, so I'll cut it, okay. So wait, you are masculine tech bro, also same. But I love that podcast, but from there, it just expands. And I still love, oh my gosh, I'm so inspired by you in this whole conversation in these 45 minutes of like, what do you want your 25, 22 year old self to hear? Chika (42:47.214) Yes, I can. Sorry, you pause for a bit. Chika (42:58.862) Yes, yes, I was a math and tech girl. Meghan Houle (43:14.254) Like I think finding inspiration of, and sometimes the advice that people are asking for that we give to others is the advice that we need to hear ourselves truly as well. And I love this podcast and I know my friend, you have just exploded in terms of your growth and your messaging. And I think, and I feel like you've talked about this on Instagram, but even from the blueprint, Chika (43:14.806) Mmm. Chika (43:23.534) Yeah, yeah, yeah. Chika (43:34.838) Yeah. Chika (43:40.982) Mmm. Mmm. Meghan Houle (43:43.022) of like really honing in on your zone of genius. And then, oh my gosh, like it just opened this portal of like all of these amazing individuals coming to you and, you know, coming to your page and following you and all of that. And I think a lot of people I work with too on the company brand side where we're like, growth, growth, growth, growth, or like, I'm not being seen, I'm not being seen. Chika (43:46.06) Mm -hmm. Chika (44:02.318) Yeah. Meghan Houle (44:05.486) What was that moment for you where you're like, I'm going to let something go or turn on a switch and then the floodgates open, Chica. Share us your secrets. Because I feel like I get stuck in that. Or is this thing on? Is anybody listening? Yeah, but how did that work out for you? Yeah. Chika (44:07.118) Mmm. Chika (44:13.774) Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. I think two things. So number one, this is actually interesting. So, and I can give you some information. He's very blunt, but he gave me advice and I ignored it. So again, this is this imposter syndrome. So back in August, I had a call with a social media coach and he was like, you know, he saw my subject, feminine energy. He looked at competitors. He kind of looked at everything and he said, you know, you need to lean into this dating relationship side. Meghan Houle (44:26.094) Yeah. Meghan Houle (44:29.902) Mm -hmm. Yeah. Chika (44:53.486) And I just was like, no, I don't want to talk about that. I want to talk about self care and the like. Like I wanted to talk. I didn't want to talk about dating relationships. Funny enough. And he was like, OK, you could do what you want to do. I'm telling you what you need to lean into. He's like, that is that is it for you. That's your zone. And I ignored that advice for months. And then I think in October, I was in Mexico and I told my husband, oh, just record me like. putting a cup down. So I'm like laying on a couch or laying on a lounge chair and I'm drinking water and I put it down and I put the caption like, need tips for a first date and read the caption, right? And I honestly was an experiment because I had no idea what was gonna happen. That post exploded to over 300 ,000 views. I've never had any posts go like that ever in my life. And I kept experimenting. Meghan Houle (45:46.766) Yeah. Wow. Chika (45:50.414) And I kept playing around with the messaging and leaning into it. And then it's now like a formula. I know what will work. I know what goes viral. I know what message will really strongly resonate with women. So I think just leaning into the thing I was actually afraid to lean into, for a long time, I actually did not want to talk about dating relationships, oddly enough. Meghan Houle (46:04.014) Yeah. Meghan Houle (46:08.246) Oof. Oh, gosh, that's so good. Leaning into the thing that you were feeling afraid to lean into. Boom, and that's it. And look at now, there's all these incredible tiers and ways to work with you. And I just also feel like the world, like we need you, us women, we need you. And, you know, I think to have a voice like yours that is so incredible, that is so approachable, that is so generous, that is so kind. Chika (46:17.614) Yeah, that's what I did. Yeah. Yes. Chika (46:27.054) Mm -hmm. Aww. Meghan Houle (46:37.25) that is so authentic. I mean, you do this and I know because I'm just this like clairvoyant of energy. Truly, Chica, we're in like four seconds like, and I love all people, but I can tell if I really like really connect with you. And I feel like that's what makes you a good recruiter, right? Because I can be like, okay, like you got it. Or you or it's not for this company, right? But you like, Chika (46:38.84) Yeah. Chika (46:44.812) Yeah. Chika (46:49.102) Yeah. Mm -hmm. Yes? Oh you don't? Meghan Houle (46:59.958) this is you, like you're magnetic. And I just feel like in a world too, where there's a lot of people that it's so easily able to put on fronts because of social media. And we can kind of like hide behind a camera, but like, are we that in real life? Like you are a hundred percent all this in real life and more. So I am just so honored to know you. And before I let you go and talking all the ways people can work with you, like give us three takeaways. Like what can we do after listening to this episode? Chika (47:19.98) Yeah. Chika (47:25.934) Mm. Mm. Meghan Houle (47:29.806) to like start to get into our softness, to our feminine flow, and then we're all gonna sign up for Chico's Community, yay. So yeah, what can we do? Or when it's open again, get on that wave instead. Yeah. Chika (47:31.662) Mmm. Alright, yeah. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, I'll send you the link. So they can, I'll give, I'll give your listeners a Feminine Energy Checklist so they can get that and start their journey. But what I would say is number one, don't be afraid to embrace your softness. It is a power, know that. Number two, your intuition is stronger than you think. A lot of women override it. I'm telling you, especially, Meghan Houle (47:48.686) Yes! Okay. Oh my god, yes. Chika (48:07.182) I'm sure most of the people here who listen to your podcasts are either, you know, super career oriented, they're climbing up in their career and doing their thing or they're a boss. Lean into intuition. Don't always think about logic. Your intuition will guide you. And I think the last thing, which is just an overall message is I think we are stepping into a paradigm of the feminine. There's a lot of, I think you posted an article yesterday about times, right? About people being tired. Meghan Houle (48:33.774) Yeah, yeah, yes. Chika (48:36.44) There's too many signs showing me that the masculine era is over and we're going to step back into the feminine, which is just like the lens will be more about the feminine. This empathy, slowing down, collaboration, connection. I think we're going to step into that world. Meghan Houle (48:41.356) Yeah. Meghan Houle (48:55.342) I hope so, I really do. It's about time, like something has to change, right? Like I feel, and we saw it on the career side with the great resignation and everything, but I feel like as much as we like get out of the bad habits, then sometimes we're easily able to get back into them. So it really is a shift. It's a shift in how you view, perceive, like show up in the world. So I'm here for it. Chika (49:00.524) Yeah. Meghan Houle (49:20.462) And I'm just so excited for all that has to come for you. And what are you most excited about looking into the future? And how can people really find you and work with you and be a part of all your building? Yeah. Chika (49:20.526) Yeah. Chika (49:33.166) Yeah, so my Instagram, you know, my Instagram and my TikTok is the same, Chica Owasie. It probably is not something you'll know. You know, lick everything, because I don't think you'll hear. I think I'm just excited about like me really stepping into this role of being an authority in Feminine Energy. I claimed it earlier this year. It's a space no one has occupied. A lot of women are talking about it, but no one has become an authority. That's my mission. Meghan Houle (49:40.046) We'll link everything. Yes. Yeah. Meghan Houle (50:00.27) Yeah. Chika (50:01.4) I want to become an authority in it and I want to touch it in so many different ways, not just dating relationships, business, personal life. I think there's so many ways I can grow this new world I've entered. Meghan Houle (50:14.414) Yeah, 1 million percent. And I mean, thank you for sharing all of your pivots, because again, at the heart and soul, this podcast is really doing that into your purpose. And like you truly are there, my friend. So I am so honored to know you. You're such a beautiful soul. Thank you for sharing your incredible wisdom, your voice. And I can't wait to see you again and come to the events and forever continue to support you. So thank you so much for being here with us, Chica and everybody go to the links. Chika (50:18.614) Yeah. Chika (50:29.006) Thank you. Chika (50:35.926) Yes! Chika (50:40.992) Thank you. Meghan Houle (50:42.542) Listen to Chico's podcast, find her on Insta, and TikTok. You're gonna love all that she does. And we'll be seeing you soon. Chika (50:50.99) Thank you so much, Megan. I really enjoyed being on your podcast. It was really, really amazing. And you're just such a warm spirit. Meghan Houle (50:57.838) Thank you, right back at you.