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Pivot with Purpose with Meghan Houle Season 2 Ep 6

Graham has appraised and authenticated over $200 million worth of luxury goods. His authentication expertise grew from his education in fashion design and art history. Graham has pioneered in the online retail landscape, helping to grow The RealReal into a billion-dollar business. His thirst for knowledge has taken him around the world, studying at some of the best institutions, including GIA, Christie’s, Fordham Law School, London College of Fashion, NYU and FIT. 

One of the world’s leading experts in the booming authenticated resale sector, Wetzbarger’s passion for luxury lead him on a career path never forged before. His unique experiences and insight keep his consultancy firm, Luxury Appraisals & Authentication, in high demand from analysts, resale platforms, and the media. Grateful for his success, Graham donates much of his time to The Costume Society of America, Marque Mentor, and the Pratt Institute Alumni Association helping to shape the next generation of experts, scholars, and creatives.

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FC Podcasts: [00:00:00] Pivot with Purpose, a podcast that highlights the unique stories of
professionals that pivoted their careers to align with their work lives and personal lives more
purposefully, and with more joy.
Pivot with Purpose is hosted by Meghan Houle, a globally accredited career and business
coach and creator of the Meghan Houle method.
Meghan Houle: [00:00:33] Welcome back to the Pivot with Purpose podcast. I’m your host,
Meghan Houle and in this episode, we talk to Graham Wetzbarger, founder and CEO of
Luxury Appraisals & Authentication.
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Meghan Houle: [00:01:19] Graham has appraised and authenticated over $200 million
worth of luxury goods. His authentication expertise grew from his education in fashion
design and art history. Graham has pioneered in the online retail landscape, helping to grow
The RealReal into a billion dollar business. His thirst for knowledge has taken him around the
world, studying at some of the best institutions, including GIA, Christie’s, Fordham Law
School, London College of Fashion, NYU and FIT. Graham Wetzbarger, welcome to the Pivot
with Purpose podcast. Thank you so much for joining us today!
Graham Wetzbarger: [00:01:58] It’s my pleasure. Thanks so much for having me.
Meghan Houle: [00:02:00] I cannot wait to dive into our conversation, and as I introduce you
into the podcast, first and foremost, you have such an incredible background in history, in
the luxury authentication world, and I have to say this and it’s a bit tongue in cheek, but I
feel like a hundred percent true. I bet you can totally spot a fake from a mile away. Right?
That’s your super power. Isn’t it? I know.
Graham Wetzbarger: [00:02:20] I mean a mile would definitely be a super power, but from
across the street or across the terminal at the airport, for sure.
Meghan Houle: [00:02:31] Well to get started, too, I’d love to ease into the conversation and
talk about some fun facts in regards to our guests. So what’s another fun fact about
Graham? You can share with our listeners about yourself before we dive into career pivots.
Any other hidden talents?
Graham Wetzbarger: [00:02:45] Is shopping a talent?
Meghan Houle: [00:02:48] Haha! Shopping is a talent!

Graham Wetzbarger: [00:02:51] I collect a lot of stuff, I’m sitting in my office, which also
doubles as my shoe closet, and I think there’s like 65 pairs of designer shoes in here. I also
collect coffee table books mainly on fashion. I think I have over 150 in my study. And then I
collected Fornasetti and Georg Jensen.
So it makes my house look nice. Yeah, as soon as I discover something, I just kind of like latch
onto it and then dive, dig into it. And then like six months later onto something else. So I
have a lot of collections.
Meghan Houle: [00:03:20] I love it! Well that’s so awesome, I love coffee table books. I
definitely own a few. I don’t have a big space, so I get yelled at when I start buying more
things.
Graham Wetzbarger: [00:03:28] You can start making them into like end tables and things.
So just keep stacking them up and build furniture. Exactly. It’s great.
Meghan Houle: [00:03:34] Welcome to my house, sit on this chair of books, it’s luxurious
people come on. I know we don’t have all the time in the world here for the listeners, but as
someone who spent a good part of my career in luxury leather goods, while working at Louis
Vuitton, I can tell you so many stories where I had a client that brought in a bag that they
bought online.
And I had to tell them, unfortunately, it was not real. And people would literally try to fight
me. And I’m sure I’ve ruined a lot of new relationships, somehow with the boyfriends and
girlfriends coming in and having to say, I’m sorry, unfortunately this bag is not real. So we all
know there’s a certain way you can confirm for each brand, which we are locking in our
vaults, but I’m so interested to hear what truly catapulted you into the luxury authentication
business.
Why this path, like, tell us a little bit about your story there.
Graham Wetzbarger: [00:04:24] Yep. Sure. So growing up, I always kind of shopped vintage,
shopped resale, shopped on the internet and authentication was always a mystery. Like I
would go to Vuitton and ask them. In college, I went to college in Brooklyn and spent a lot of
time on or around Canal Street.
And that is such an amazing microcosm of counterfeit culture. And friends would come into
town, it’s like, oh, I want to get a Kate Spade, knock off and watching them just like glue the
stickers to the front of the bag, you want Prada, you want Gucci, you want this? So that’s
that stuck with me.
Meghan Houle: [00:04:58] Its like drive thru McDonald’s like, what?
Graham Wetzbarger: [00:04:59] Totally. Yeah. What flavor do you want? And then I went to
school for fashion design and art history because I thought I wanted to be a fashion designer
and design like evening gowns. And there’s not a ton of that in New York, in the states in the
early to mid two thousands when Paris Hilton was the epitome of style. I know, I know. And
she’s coming back, but,

Meghan Houle: [00:05:19] And so are like Juicy tracksuits, we’re sorry,
Graham Wetzbarger: [00:05:22] I wanted ballgowns, America wanted tracksuits. What I
discovered that I loved really was like the couture techniques, the fine materials, all this
luxury aspect.
And then I never worked a day as a fashion designer in my life. And that might’ve been my
very first pivot.
Meghan Houle: [00:05:37] How did you get caught up in the authentication space? Was it
something in terms of education or certifications to sort of become this luxury goods master
authenticator? Tell us about the credentials there.
Graham Wetzbarger: [00:05:50] So that’s the crazy thing of credentialing, is that there really
isn’t. So I have trained and developed and mentored people to become expert
authenticators with a myriad of different backgrounds.
And I myself have schooled myself and taken so many courses and certifications in anything
on the peripheral of authentication, whether it be art crimes and antiquities theft, whether
it be gemological studies and learning about metal types, whether it be classes at auction
houses or anything that can get me more information about the product that I’m inspecting.
Because really you have to be an expert of that product to know whether it’s genuine or
fake. So I was in a really opportune place to you start doing this. I was working for a
company called Bag, Borrow, or Steal, which was like the precursor to Rent The Runway.
It’s a handbag rental company and they’re still around. You can go rent a Judith Leiber for an
evening out or something like that, or what have you. And so I was surrounded by a
warehouse full of gorgeous luxury, authentic goods. And when we launched the buy, sell,
trade lateral or category that’s really how we started authenticating.
We would take a piece that came in and we would go and compare it to like the 30 others
that we had. And that was the best school for authentication at the time. People don’t
always have that luxury a lot of times, especially with the pandemic we’re authenticating
remotely via images.
But resale has grown so so much since I started 13 years ago that there is so much more
information on the internet. If you can use that information wisely and not trust everything
you read it can be a wonderful resource. So that’s how I got started. I literally told my boss, I
think I know how to authenticate, and they finally gave me a chance.
Two years, maybe a year ago and half later I was the head of the Appraisals and
Authentication department. It really does take an attention to detail, a determination in
your detective work and research and a little bit of chutzpah.
Meghan Houle: [00:07:48] And here you are.
So, and I know we have so many amazing pivots to talk through, but before you started your
own business, which we’ll get into in a moment. You spend a good amount of time in the

very early stages, more so at The RealReal helping them to catapult that business into resale
stratosphere.
So can you talk about your time at The RealReal and some exciting highlights about your
position as chief authenticator? Cause I know you were there for many years, right?
Graham Wetzbarger: [00:08:15] Yeah. So that was wild. I started in beginning of January of
2013 and I left in October of 2019. I think I was employee 50, and when I left there 2,500
employees. We had a warehouse that was an office that was probably the size of my house
now in Sausalito.
And now they have close to a million square foot of warehousing and several floors of office
buildings across the country. So it’s major. And that was pretty amazing to really go into like
a startup company mode where you’re wearing many, many hats and just running around
crazy and working insane hours.
And then watching the company kind of double every single year and get more structure, so
first you’re building that foundation and then you’re building the strats and the structure of
it. And then you’re adding in more people. And as the company grows, you get to go from a
generalist to a specialist.
So you really get to dial in on what, like your true kind of calling is. But even within that
organization, there were so many pivots. So when we launched retail, spending six weeks in
New York at a pop-up store and spending six weeks in Vegas at a pop-up store and
launching other categories like watches and jewelry, I literally educated myself through the
GIA, the Gemological Institute of America, because I needed to be able to speak the
language of the gemologists we were hiring and kind of translate that back to normal English
to work with our merchandising team.
Right, right. Yeah. DVS 2, like it’s good. That just means it’s good. It’s good. Just put it
forward. Yeah, so many idiosyncrasies there that you could spend forever on. And then
working with different departments on kind of technological innovation was really awesome
working with the university of Arizona on this endowment to build technology, to help
authenticate fine jewelry was pretty great.
And there were too many wonderful experiences to go into detail, but really some of the
most talented and most kind of amazing friendships have come out of that period.
Meghan Houle: [00:10:17] I bet. We’re going to dive into some more questions around that,
but I’m going to put you on the spot with a yes or no question, and then we take a little bit
of a quick break.
So yes or no. Pivoting topics here, do you think luxury brands can do better at training their
teams on how to spot a counterfeit and also talk about the negative sides to purchasing
counterfeit products?
Graham Wetzbarger: [00:10:38] The short one word answer is yes, with a giant asterisk, so
one word and one symbol.

Meghan Houle: [00:10:46] Yes, asterix, we will take a quick break and pick this up when we
get back.
Graham, so before the break, you said yes, with a big asterisk. So whose responsibility do
you think it is to take a better stance on counterfeit product? Why does it hurt the industry?
Is it getting better? How can we be better? Talk to us about your yes.
Graham Wetzbarger: [00:11:22] Right. So the brands are really focused on counterfeit
detection and stopping that at the manufacturing level; IP enforcement, right? Brands spend
millions of dollars in research and development designing, amazing product just to then
have it stolen by counterfeiters. So that’s really where their focus has been. And that’s been
like that since, well, I think Chanel filed one of the first IP lawsuits in the 1930s.
So brands spend millions of dollars. I think Louis Vuitton employs 17 IP lawyers working on IP
enforcement. Right? But it wasn’t until like the past five, ten years with the birth and the
growth of resale that brands now have to pivot and talk, and acknowledge the resale
industry.
And let me tell you, 13 years ago when I started, brands would not acknowledge resale. I got
letters from many companies saying only our employees know how to authenticate. But
then if you go into a retail level, they don’t know how to authenticate. That’s not their job or
their jobs as sales people and people managers and things like that.
So, there’s one thing of like providing a general service, I suppose, and assisting people in
their queries, but also, We want to sell product as well. You know, so many brands, all the
tops would say like the only way to know it’s real is to buy it from us directly. Okay, yeah, but
it means that also there’s other ways.
Right? And it certainly behooves every single brand to have equity in the secondary market.
If your bags or your jewelry is so collectible that someone can then sell it, three, four years
when it shows some wear for 80% of what they purchased it for? That’s amazing. You’re
never going to get that with a car.
Meghan Houle: [00:13:05] No, oh my God you drive a car off the lot and you’re like, bye
$10,000 see ya.
Graham Wetzbarger: [00:13:10] So fashion naturally depreciates, but the slower
depreciation that you have makes a brand more valuable. I will not buy certain brands. And I
know many, many people who will not buy certain brands because they’re just not worth
the money, and when they’re done with them, they just have to be donated.
There’s no equity left in them. So you want people to want your products at full price and
you want people to want to sell their products when they’re done with them. So that means
you have to acknowledge the resale industry and in some aspect, participate.
Meghan Houle: [00:13:42] Right. That’s such a good point. As we pivot to some of your
other career things, being so passionate about that and brands, I know you are on your own
mission to start your businesses here and launching your own luxury appraisal company. So,

did you see a need or a white space in the market to bring a different offering and level of
expertise you carry to all your different clients you’re supporting now, like talk to us a little
bit about your inspiration behind starting your own business!
Graham Wetzbarger: [00:14:08] Sure. So let’s talk about that white space first, I guess. I
became an appraiser certified and a member of the Appraisal Associations of America,
which means you have to follow all these codes of ethics, etcetera. And completed the
USPAP, which form standards and practices of appraisal.
Meghan Houle: [00:14:27] Sounds scary!
Graham Wetzbarger: [00:14:31] Let me Google what it is. USPAP because it’s okay, Uniform
Standards of Professional Appraisal Practice. And that’s put together by the Appraisal
Foundation, which is a government agency, right? When you’re doing appraisals for IRS, for
estates, for non charitable or non-cash charitable donations, the IRS and the government
really wants to know where this money.
So I did that, simply to learn the valuation process and how that could benefit our business,
The RealReal, and in my getting to know the organization, no one was doing luxury goods.
There was hundreds of thousands of people appraising jewelry and some watches, but no
one was doing clothing except for one gal out of Chicago, but she mainly does like vintage
and antique or like, colonial quilts or things like that.
There was such a need that maybe consumers didn’t realize, but to have their personal
wearables, I like to call it. Clothing, shoes, accessories, jewelry, watches, handbags etcetera
properly appraised and protected against any kind of loss. So that was the kind of white
space in the market.
I didn’t really act on that immediately, but over time and through different speaking
engagements and things like that, people started approaching me about working with them
in a consulting basis for sometimes like government seizures, other times, posthumus
estates and different collection management pieces as well with that conservation.
So appraisal authentication where you kind of goes all into that estate and collection
management.
Meghan Houle: [00:16:08] So I’m going to bring you, what about Storage Wars? And like get
you on there. You know those, like, “Open the door”, I’ll bring in Graham with me. You never
know what you can find, but that’s so interesting. It’s so interesting!
Graham Wetzbarger: [00:16:24] Yeah, there’s always treasures out there. I was on a
Clubhouse the other day, talking with vintage collectors and sellers. And they’re saying,
Goodwill doesn’t have anything good anymore. It’s like, check out goodwill.com, you guys.
They’ve gotten savvy, they’re smart.
They’re selling it all at auction on their own websites instead of just giving it away. So more
and more people are onto the treasure hunt. So that does make it a little bit more difficult to
find those amazing things, but they’re still there. There’s plenty of great stuff.

Meghan Houle: [00:16:50] What are some current projects you’re working on now that you
have your clients and what are you being approached with?
Tell us a little bit about that.
Graham Wetzbarger: [00:16:57] Sure. So I kind of, I have three angles. I kind of have my
enterprise clients with sharp, like project based, these big multi-billion dollar companies who
want to invest more on authentication. So it’s all about developing the policies and
procedures and hiring for whatever their needs are.
It could be pre-sale, post-sale, it could be part of like their review process of listings or their
buying process. That’s pretty cool cause every client’s different, right? Every ask is different.
There’s my like kind of straight authentication piecemeal, which has mainly young kind of
solo ‘preneurs who are trying to start a resale business on some other platform and they
need mentorship and coaching and help in what to buy, is it real? How much should I pay for
it? How much should I sell it?
So those clients are really fun cause they’re kind of the next generation. I’m working with
this. young couple right now in Milan and they’re starting a resale business and they have
big dreams and big hopes and great energy.
So it kind of takes me back to like 2012 when I was interviewing with The RealReal and
talking about, kind of what this world might have to offer. So it’s cool to kind of be working,
on both sides at the very young startup age, and then at the very established age as well.
And then, kind of whatever comes my way working with different art advisors is really cool. I
just had a great conversation with the art storage and clothing storage business. How to
protect garments and things like that. Again, I never thought I would be where I was today,
10 years ago.
So I really don’t know where I’m going to be in 10 years. I just want to have as many
conversations with as many people and talk about what might lay ahead and again, kind of
just let life take me where it’s going to with the clients that it puts in front of me with the
different projects that we work on.
And, I have faith that the future is bright.
Meghan Houle: [00:18:46] You have such an incredible unique talent and amazing energy
and personality, and I’ve just so loved getting to know you and all the conversations we’ve
had connecting.
No doubt there’s going to be some really cool things coming in your future and at the heart
of this podcast I know a lot of our listeners are in luxury retail. A lot of people still looking to
pivot. For someone who may be in luxury or retail in general wanting to pivot into
something different, but still staying close to product and fashion…
How could someone follow your path maybe to consider becoming an authenticator and
what type of training would go into making sure someone new to the space would be
credible? Do you think it’s possible to make that pivot?

Graham Wetzbarger: [00:19:25] It’s absolutely possible. I did it, I was in retail, I sold
handbags and then I moved on to customer service or e-commerce company and moved
into merchandising.
And then that’s kind of where the ball started to really roll. But I’ve also, again, hired, trained
and mentored a lot of people not just to become authenticators, but to become merchants,
to become stylists, to become photo editors, all sorts of things whose background was in
retail. It takes someone who is passionate about products, who again, pays attention to the
details, who knows the minutia and the differences between this cashmere sweater and that
cashmere sweater or this leather bag and that leather bag and taking all that product
knowledge that when you do work retail, you’re really privy to from the brands or from the
company you’re working for.
Retaining that, but also continuing to grow and develop on your own. Looking at magazines,
looking at runway shows, looking at blogs, looking at Instagram accounts and really kind of
ingesting all of that. So then when an opportunity does come your way, you can say, hey, I
may not have this exact background, but here are the skills that I possess that fill the holes in
your ask.
There’s a lot of remote stuff right now as I’m sure, Right? So there’s that, and we’re seeing a
dissemination from the major hubs of New York, LA, San Francisco to other cities. Chicago
has a ton of great resale. We’re seeing great kind of sneakers and streetwear come out of
Detroit. Phoenix and Las Vegas are next, and Dallas, a lot of cities with emerging resale.
Meghan Houle: [00:21:01] It seems like maybe a great space for someone to consider
looking that has that passion, like you said, for luxury, for fashion, but to do something
different. How do you see the resell industry evolving in the next few years? Do you think
2020 really pushed growth forward with many people trying to consign more than ever, sell
items they’ve been hanging on to? Or do you think it’s been a steady climb? Where do you
see it evolving?
Graham Wetzbarger: [00:21:22] It has been a steady climb, it’s been a very steady climb for
the past 10 years, accelerated in the past five years. 2020 was a big catalyst that had
converted a lot of people who had never considered resale before, or at least at like the high
end, as opposed to like the thrift end. Right? Because anytime there is some economic
uncertainty, people look at their possessions and the things around them to liquidate and to
find cash on hand and equity in their products.
So If you surround yourself by beautiful things that are worth money, let’s call it what it is.
You then have that opportunity if need be to liquidate it and to get equity out of it. If you
are, surrounded by $5 furniture, there’s nothing you can sell, there’s nothing sellable there.
If your closet is all H&M and Top Shop and Zara, there’s nothing to sell there. So people dug
into their closets and their crawl spaces and their attics and found these products that they
were not using and they turned that into capital. Because again, it’s good to have cash on
hand when there’s kind of scary situations, when you don’t know if your store’s going to
have toilet paper.

Meghan Houle: [00:22:25] Right? I think so much of 2020 heightened our awareness and in
a lot of ways and maybe over-buying or shopping and then investing, like really investing in
some great bags, like you said, you can have around you that you can love and use and then
maybe turn around and someone else can love and use them in the future.
I really appreciate this industry and all you do. So tell me, what do you love most about
what you do? A couple more questions here and I’m going to let you on your way. What do
you love most about being in this space authenticating, you have such a great energy.
Graham Wetzbarger: [00:22:54] I love the products so much. I respect the product, okay?
And therefore that makes me an advocate for genuine products. It makes me really kind of
hate counterfeiting and when people violate people’s intellectual property, right? And it
could be luxury, it could be when someone steals lyrics for a song or when someone like
steals a photo shoot, like if you’re not creative enough to come up with something unique
on your own, if you have to like steal something that someone’s already done or poach it,
like that’s just, that’s so poor.
Meghan Houle: [00:23:30] Good point. Amen.
Graham Wetzbarger: [00:23:34] The whole like fake it till you make it, no, please make
something else. And then, there’s a whole lot of kind of human rights issues when it comes
to mass counterfeiting of fashion, footwear, and accessories. These are being made in
sweatshops and really terrible conditions, and they’re smuggling them into the country.
It’s the same kind of smuggling tactics that you would use for drugs, firearms, or human
trafficking. So it’s just a fake handbag, but it also has tentacles that reach into more
nefarious things. So when you have something so beautiful on one hand, and then it gets
tainted by something so ugly…
That’s why I advocate for authenticity. That’s why I advocate for resale. Because it’s a great
entry point for an aspirational shopper instead of buying that counterfeit Kate Spade on
Canal Street, why don’t you go to a vintage shop or a vintage website? And you could
probably find a Kate Spade for, I don’t know, 50, 60 bucks, which is probably twice what the
fake is, but the fake is only going to last you a month and a half.
Meghan Houle: [00:24:33] Right, and the fake’s probably flammable. So watch out! No
smoking, don’t like put too much hairspray in line of matches around that thing. It’s going to
be a bad idea. Well, it’s such a beautiful point to make.
Graham Wetzbarger: [00:24:47] This summer I was lucky enough to appraise an entire
collection of couture garments from a fashion designer and seeing these pieces with just the
most amazing beading, applique, laser cutting. Just was insane, right?
It’s touching pieces of art that you can go on vogue.com and see them go down the runway.
But also, sometimes it’s more of like the stories and the situation than the piece itself. I was
at a customer’s house and we’d done her closets and then we were kind of going through
her garage.

Cause she thought she might have some things in there and she pulls down this like dusty
old Rubbermaid bin and not knowing what was inside of it. And inside are three brand new
with tags Chanel crocodile handbags that all have the price tags. That’s like $35,000 each.
And she just brought them out from the store and said, I’ll deal with them later.
Put them in a bin, put it up on a shelf in the garage and then never remembered. 10 years
ago, a $100K of Chanel bags, three bags just oh yeah, I forgot I had these. So those are like
pretty crazy things. So there’s people who forget they have, and then there’s the people who
like know exactly what they have and they’re crazy collectors.
So it’s fine to kind of talk with those folks as well. But yeah, almost like the bag you have in
front of you or the item you have in front of you is the thing you love the most because… I
dunno, it should be. You’re giving it the level of attention that it needs.
Meghan Houle: [00:26:17] Oh, I know. You take such good care of them I know. The Chanel
that I heavily saved and invested for, definitely sits in her little space in the nice bag, wrap,
and box, and out of sight from the sun, you got to take care of your things. Just like anything
in life.
Graham Wetzbarger: [00:26:31] Right, it’s like you take care of your skin, right?
You wash your face and our hair, right? But that doesn’t mean like we’re not gonna have a
cocktail or go get a suntan or put bleach in our hair, and I feel the same way about clothing.
Like you have to use it if it just sits there as a trophy, buy art then, and hang it on your wall.
You collect sneakers, but your sneakers have some scuffs on ’em. I’m like, yeah, cause I
wear ’em.
Meghan Houle: [00:26:57] You’re proud, you’re excited to get them out. You feel good you
know when you love your look putting together. Well, those are all great points to close up
here, are you currently hiring for any of your clients?
For someone interested in learning more about what you do, is there a way they can
connect with you? What’s the best way for our listeners to potentially get in touch or follow
you?
Graham Wetzbarger: [00:27:15] Sure. You can find me at Graham Wetzbarger on
Instagram. You can find me at Graham Wetzbarger on LinkedIn I’m graham@luxury-
appraisals.com for email.
LinkedIn is always a great place for professional networking. So I really respect that avenue.
Sometimes when people reach out to me on Instagram for professional things that kind of
gets a little bit lost with all the scrolling, I guess. So LinkedIn is a really great place because I
know exactly what that is.
Hiring, if I find the right person, I can convince someone to hire them. I am hiring for a
couple of different positions right now, but yeah some of them are geography based but
there might be a couple of remote opportunities as well, but really it’s all about people who

have passion, people who have product knowledge and people who are willing and wanting
to pivot.
Meghan Houle: [00:28:03] Well, thank you for that. As I share a lot in the tips that I do after
our podcast each week, I have the Meghan Houle Method takeaway of the week. It’s like,
reach out, be genuine, network. You are such a wonderful, kind, accessible gentlemen. So I
appreciate you sharing your information and potentially allowing people to connect with you
on LinkedIn and we’ll link all the good ways that they can stay in touch keep an eye on what
you’re doing.
Thank you so much for sharing your career pivot story and your impressive time and
experience in the luxury authentication market. What you’re doing for so many brands and
your clients, it’s truly amazing. We look forward to keeping our eye on you as you continue
to grow your business and keep supporting you.
Good luck with all you have going on.
Graham Wetzbarger: [00:28:44] Thank you, Meghan so much. It’s been such a pleasure.

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